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Deshaun Allegations detailed (not good)

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1 minute ago, mav1234 said:

Burden of proof is also different in civil vs criminal court.  It does help Watson a little if the police decline to pursue this, but it doesn't mean that he would be "cleared" in civil court 

that has always struck me as wrong...you can be found not guilty & still be ruined financially

if not criminally negligent, civil cases should not happen

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5 minutes ago, Monrowed said:

The real issue is that the lawyer went on social media fishing for evidence. The general rule is that you do not accuse someone of a crime then go get evidence.

Usually, the police have an instance of a crime and gather evidence to support a charge that would lead to a conviction. In this case, it is the opposite, hence that this is the reason that it is being pursued as a civil matter.

It seems that the lawyer is submitting information to the police in an effort to legitimize the civil complaints. I suspect that if Deshaun is not brought in for questioning and charged within the next week to ten days, then the evidence is weak and would not meet the criteria for a conviction in court.

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1 minute ago, Monrowed said:

Oh really dude? In criminal court you need evidence of an actual crime or witnesses to a crime. As I said before, only in civil court would a lack of evidence lead to an unfavorable judgment. 

Sorry dude, but the suggestion that if this doesn't go to criminal court nobody's going to care is completely off the mark.

The allegations that have been made here are pretty serious, and the notion that a team in this day and age would just sweep them under the rug is just not credible.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sorry dude, but the suggestion that if this doesn't go to criminal court nobody's going to care is completely off the mark.

The allegations that have been made here are pretty serious, and the notion that a team in this day and age would just sweep them under the rug is just not credible.

Pre Ray Rice, Maybe

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14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...it doesn't work that way.

Courts don't say "well if there's no video, you can't prove it", not even civil ones.

I was speaking on criminal cases. In civil cases there is not the burden of proof, but the believability of the accusation.

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2 minutes ago, Monrowed said:

I was speaking on criminal cases. In civil cases there is not the burden of proof, but the believability of the accusation.

Even in criminal cases, nobody says "well if there isn't video, there's no evidence". That'd be an absolutely ridiculous standard for courts to follow.

And no, it isn't true in civil cases either. Not should it be.

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3 minutes ago, NAS said:

Let me get this straight, you get assaulted and you go back for some more?  Yeah, that's believable 

Okay sure but why the hell is Watson touching women with his dick tht told him no before or trying to kiss them? Weird poo all over.

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4 minutes ago, NAS said:

Let me get this straight, you get assaulted and you go back for some more?  Yeah, that's believable 

Agree that's odd, but we don't know the details.

If he did something minor and then apologized, but did something worse the second time, that's a reasonable story.

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Just now, mav1234 said:

Okay sure but why the hell is Watson touching women with his dick tht told him no before or trying to kiss them? Weird poo all over.

I believe these are 'escorts' looking for a payday

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7 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

if not criminally negligent, civil cases should not happen

Civil courts are where non-criminal claims between individual parties are adjudicated.  That's why Civil courts exists, to try non-criminal code claims.

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I believe these are 'escorts' looking for a payday

Again, some of the women involved in this story are state licensed massage therapists. As was pointed out, that's not an easy thing to become. And if it were true, that would be a pretty easy thing to figure out.

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