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we were the only ones who wanted sam darnold lol

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't need inside information to know that GMs who regularly deal in contracts don't run them past college coaches (and assistant coaches) who have no experience with them at all.

So it’s your position that a lame-duck GM(see Andrew Berry) making 1M(maybe) didn’t mention the terms to anyone until after the contract was signed? Not the new 7 year HC with total authority? Not the new cap guy? No one? 
 

   You stick with that? How do you Know this? Have you shadowed many GMs? So coaches and GMs don’t discuss this? Trent Baalke can sign a player Urban wants for twice what he’s worth and doesn’t tell anyone? Just like Hurney would have been, Baalke would get canned. 
 

  

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9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So it’s your position that a lame-duck GM(see Andrew Berry) making 1M(maybe) didn’t mention the terms to anyone until after the contract was signed? Not the new 7 year HC with total authority? Not the new cap guy? No one? 

   You stick with that? How do you Know this? Have you shadowed many GMs? So coaches and GMs don’t discuss this? Trent Baalke can sign a player Urban wants for twice what he’s worth and doesn’t tell anyone? Just like Hurney would have been, Baalke would get canned. 

The cap guys negotiate the specifics, though the GM often sets parameters. Major contracts might be run past the owner, but that's not guaranteed.

Most head coaches don't have that much to do with actual contract negotiation. Their contribution is to say whether they want a certain player or not.

Where does this come from? From years of listening to interviews with coaches, GMs, etc. Some years back, Floyd Reese gave an extended discussion about coaching / management relationships that was very informative on the topic.

More to the point in this case though, Roaring Riot has an extremely reliable record when it comes to knowing inside details.

You don't.

So yes, I take his word for it, and that's because he's earned it.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The cap guys negotiate the specifics, though the GM often sets parameters. Major contracts might be run past the owner, but that's not guaranteed.

Most head coaches don't have that much to do with actual contract negotiation. Their contribution is to say whether they want a certain player or not.

Where does this come from? From years of listening to interviews with coaches, GMs, etc. Some years back, Floyd Reese gave an extended discussion about coaching / management relationships that was very informative on the topic.

More to the point in this case though, Roaring Riot has an extremely reliable record when it comes to knowing inside details.

You don't.

So yes, I take his word for it, and that's because he's earned it.

  So one guy’s specific situation, 15-20 years ago is a blanket statement. Was Reese ever GM on his last year of a contract, on a team that just hired a HC to a 7 year contract worth 10x a year what he makes? Because that’s this situation. Thats acting like the Panthers aren’t vastly different from just a couple years ago in the way they are run. 
 

   Every situation is different, but there is no way that Rhule didn’t approve that(and every) deal. Or did Rhule only make the good moves and it was Hurney who made every mistake. I would have to assume if that information was available for TB, it was for every transaction. 
 

   And I’ve never said the guy was lying. I can absolutely see him being told that by someone in the organization. Coincidentally, right when Hurney got fired. Remember, he was a scapegoat. 

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4 hours ago, WaterBoy said:

The best part is Ian Rapoport started this whole conversation with Carolina being the "sole suitor" then today posts this: 

 

Ian wins interweb click award.

Also worth pointing out if it hasn't been already (did not read whole thread) the Jets did not need to trade Darnold.  They could have kept him on the roster.  So even if teams dropped out our competition was the status quo.... ironically on both sides (TB).

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