Just curious. How do you feel about Sammy's vs Teddy's deal?

[top dawg]

Question. For all you people talking sh¡t about Darnold, or sh¡t about Rhule and Fitterer--or even if you aren't a Negative Nancy--how do you feel about the 2021 Darnold deal versus the 2020 Bridgewater transaction? And don't be a copout and say, "They both suck!" Answer the question!

I can say unequivocally that I can live with this deal intellectually, notwithstanding the 2022 2nd), but I absolutely hated the money and structure of the Bridgewater deal. 

At least now, we don't have that much invested in Darnold, even after picking up his option. His salary should be a small issue next offseason, even if he bombs this year. Moreover, you really don't know what his ceiling really is because of being in such a horrible situation, from coaching to development to weapons. With Teddy--as some keep reiterating--we knew exactly what he was (well almost, but for the ball {no}security)! Now, we know we have a big, strong, young QB that can make all the throws (with definite ball security issues), but also one that has been "broken" to a certain extent, but a coaching staff that may legitimately be able to "fix" him by putting him into situations that play to his strengths, and not forcing him to do things that play into his weaknesses, and can ultimately turn those weaknesses into strengths. 

For all the pontificating on Bridgewater, I think that it's fair to say that he wasn't some newb at his first rodeo show. He was in an offense that he was very much knowledgeable about, and he had enough weapons--and was in situations--where he really should have succeeded...at least beyond the appearance of failure. 

So, from where I'm sitting, things aren't perfect (and they wouldn't have been even with a rookie QB), but at least we haven't done anything jaw dropping in the Darnold deal--just maybe a little eyebrow-raising with the second--haven't compromised the future by selling the farm, and have a QB with a much higher ceiling this season than we did the last.

On an off note, I wonder how/if Fitterer tempered Rhule (& possibly Tepper) on the compensation.

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by top dawg

[electro's horse]

money doesn't matter and the cap is a myth

[chknwing]

I love the trade, 2 years left on a rookie contract for a vet qb thats only 23 and better than any qb in the draft?  sign me up.  

[LinvilleGorge]

Darnold has more physical talent but Teddy is the far smarter QB. If you could combine the best assets of both you'd have an elite NFL QB, unfortunately alone they're both trash. Sorry.

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Question. For all you people talking sh¡t about Darnold, or sh¡t about Rhule and Fitterer--or even if you aren't a Negative Nancy--how do you feel about the 2021 Darnold deal versus the 2020 Bridgewater transaction? And don't be a copout and say, "They both suck!" Answer the question!

I can say unequivocally that I can live with this deal intellectually, notwithstanding the 2022 2nd), but I absolutely hated the money and structure of the Bridgewater deal. 

At least now, we don't have that much invested in Darnold, even after picking up his option. His salary should be a small issue next offseason, even if he bombs this year. Moreover, you really don't know what his ceiling really is because of being in such a horrible situation, from coaching to development to weapons. With Teddy--as some keep reiterating--we knew exactly what he was (well almost, but for the ball {no}security)! Now, we know we have a big, strong, young QB that can make all the throws (with definite ball security issues), but also one that has been "broken" to a certain extent, but a coaching staff that may legitimately be able to "fix" him by putting him into situations that play to his strengths, and not forcing him to do things that play into his weaknesses, and can ultimately turn those weaknesses into strengths. 

For all the pontificating on Bridgewater, I think that it's fair to say that he wasn't some newb at his first rodeo show. He was in an offense that he was very much knowledgeable about, and he had enough weapons--and was in situations--where he really should have succeeded...at least beyond the appearance of failure. 

So, from where I'm sitting, things aren't perfect (and they wouldn't have been even with a rookie QB), but at least we haven't done anything jaw dropping in the Darnold deal--just maybe a little eyebrow-raising with the second--haven't compromised the future by selling the farm, and have a QB with a much higher ceiling this season than we did the last.

On an off note, I wonder how/if Fitterer tempered Rhule (& possibly Tepper) on the compensation.

 

I had the same thought.  This is a much better deal for a QB with more upside.  People, you can look at stats all day--they don't measure coaching, culture, or the future.  They are snapshots of what happened.  So what?  If they want to give this a shot, what is it really costing us?  Not $40m for sure.

[PantherPhann89]

First of I'm not necessarily a fan of Sam Donald. Granted he hasn't played on a good team but he is young. Maybe Rhule sees something in him that he believes fits the Panthers.

Financially Sam's deal is way more cap friendly. 

I'm interested to see how this plays out...

[MHS831]

FWIW, how would feel about spending a first rounder on Mac Jones?  That is probably where we were headed. 

Or 2 first rounders on a QB from NDSU?  or one of Ohio State's many QBs?

Edited April 6, 2021 by MHS831

[JawnyBlaze]

Teddy was a disaster from the start. He was never going to be better than the milquetoast QB he always has been. Darnold has upside. I think this was a good, not great trade. Low cost, high reward. 

[onmyown]

Correct me if I’m wrong but picking up a 5th option makes Darnold 12 mil per year for two years and TB was essentially 20 mil per year for two years.

It’s not the worst in the world, but these things add up. We’re essentially paying 32 million this year at the QB position and don’t have a solid QB (that we know will work out).

If we go into 2022 and Darnold doesn’t work out we will still be paying someone else plus no draft picks.

Its Greta to continually try to find the answer IF the answer is eventually found. But these costs will start to add up. Cap and money may not matter to much but draft picks most certainly do.

I am thinking they’ll give Darnold MUCH more time (2+ years) to produce than they ever would TB, which makes sense.

The costs at this time is low and potential is high so it’s not so bad right now and most importantly we are not stuck. And this is what it takes to find the franchise QB.

Only time will tell.

Edited April 6, 2021 by onmyown

[Ready 2 Win]

Pretty satisfied with this deal. I was ready to stand behind Teddy, but this kid is young and can be coached up. In 2019 rookie year ( pre-Covid) he wasn't all that bad. Dropped off in 2020 but due to Covid and all the limitations that placed I'm willing to put that year aside. 

Mostly I am glad we did not trade 3 firsts and CMC for Watson (god, what a scary thought some folks here insisted we do) or give up a lot to move up a few spots in the draft and take a gamble on a QB that may or may not pan out in the NFL. On that thought, we are doing the exact same thing with Darnold, but the buy in wasn't as steep to rol' the dice!

[GoPanthers123]

I felt Teddy would be an expensive marginal upgrade to Kyle Allen, and three year deal as well when it should be just one year.  

We overpaid by next year’s 4 th by my estimate for Darnold.

Teddy is the worse of the two.

[LinvilleGorge]

The big issue I have here is the timing. If we made this deal after striking out at #8 I'd be alright with it. It just feels like we're making a desperation move before we should be in desperation mode.

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The big issue I have here is the timing. If we made this deal after striking out at #8 I'd be alright with it. It just feels like we're making a desperation move before we should be in desperation mode.

Possible that other teams had this plan as well.  Maybe we overpaid, but maybe that was the price for closing the deal now.

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The big issue I have here is the timing. If we made this deal after striking out at #8 I'd be alright with it. It just feels like we're making a desperation move before we should be in desperation mode.

Fitterer says that he wanted to go into the draft with options. You might not agree with his reasoning that Darnold gives us options, but in some respects, he does. I think it takes the pressure off to do something that we may have really regreted later. Now we're in a better position to let the draft come to us. And, with a little work, development and luck, Darnold turns out to be the answer, which will ultimately free us up more.