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Breer talks about Gase (and Tannehill; oh, and Darnold)

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I don't think Darnold will ultimately end up an All Pro, but it is worth noting that people touting how Tannehill showed more before Tennessee are right... but he showed more before Gase showed up, and he looked arguably as bad as Darnold did while Gase was there... Tannehill went from ~2% ints thrown before Gase, a fine number, to 3+%, which is bad decision making indeed. He went from multiple 4k yard, 20+ TD seasons with low int% to being a total disaster of decision making.  But as a rookie, he showed as much or maybe less than Darnold did as a rookie.  Hell, even his second year was pretty comparable to Darnold's... 

The difference is, Tannehill's HUGE downtown happened in his 5th year, when Gase joined the Fins (and Tannehill got injured), while Darnold was exposed to Gase in his 2nd year, and the huge potential so many saw near the end of Darnold's first year did not seem to be realized.  

The huge knock on Tannehill in his last couple years in Miami was how bad his decision making had become.

What's the big knock on Darnold? 

So there's reasons to be optimistic, and IMO that is why we made the trade.

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10 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

The Darnold/Tannehill comparison is the laziest take currently going, a simple google search would show you Tannehill worst season with Gase is better than Darnold best season. You can’t even use the supporting cast excuse, Tannehill supporting cast was just as bad if not worse. Let’s not forget Darnold was also terrible his rookie season with Bowles as his coach, meanwhile Tannehill at least put up decent numbers with the previous coach.

 

 

Tannehill being Darnold benchmark is laughable to begin with, I don’t want Tannehill as my franchise QB. Everyone in the world has seen over the last 2 playoffs or when ever the Titans struggle it’s cause the opposing team slows down Henry forcing the Tannehill to win the game. I want a QB that doesn’t need a perfect situation to win. 
 

But that’s was settling for castoff QBs get you

Id take tannehill over rodgers in the playoffs. You know what youre getting with rodgers.

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15 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’m not a PFF fan but ya...

I said in the prediction thread that I think Darnold is gonna have a career year, which isn’t saying a whole lot considering he’s had very pedestrian numbers. Brady’s system is very qb friendly and we have legit weapons. I can understand people not including his 3rd year in evaluation of him because that team was tanking. I just think that 3rd year should’ve not allowed a 2nd round pick to be on the table for us to give away even if I understand that we needed to do something at qb because we don’t have a whole lot of options.
 

the big thing, like teddy, is he is gonna be put in situations where he needs to come through in the 4th quarter. Make big plays in big time moments. That’s gonna be the ultimate evaluation for him next year. The optimistic side for me would be he performs well but not at the level of a true franchise qb. Maybe he’ll have trade value and we can package something to move up in the draft next year if there is a qb we like. I just think all of this is highly unlikely though. 
 

also another huge red flag is this dude has never played a full season healthy.

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I said in the prediction thread that I think Darnold is gonna have a career year, which isn’t saying a whole lot considering he’s had very pedestrian numbers. Brady’s system is very qb friendly and we have legit weapons. I can understand people not including his 3rd year in evaluation of him because that team was tanking. I just think that 3rd year should’ve not allowed a 2nd round pick to be on the table for us to give away even if I understand that we needed to do something at qb because we don’t have a whole lot of options.
 

the big thing, like teddy, is he is gonna be put in situations where he needs to come through in the 4th quarter. Make big plays in big time moments. That’s gonna be the ultimate evaluation for him next year. The optimistic side for me would be he performs well but not at the level of a true franchise qb. Maybe he’ll have trade value and we can package something to move up in the draft next year if there is a qb we like. I just think all of this is highly unlikely though. 
 

also another huge red flag is this dude has never played a full season healthy.

For me, I just want to see him show progress. 

After hearing Robby talk about the “culture” in NY and Adam Gase, I think the argument could be made to throw out years 2 and 3. 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sam-darnold/32004441-5246-6141-9e5c-6e7d32a03e33
 

His pro comp in his draft profile was Andrew Luck. He’s tweaked his throwing motion since his college days for the better. He’s still only 23. If he can just get back on track and show more good than bad, I think he’s worth putting time into.

It’ll truly be interesting to see which way this one goes. We have an extremely highly touted prospect versus an extremely dysfunctional organization.   
 

*I’m not saying he’s Andrew Luck btw or anything. I just don’t think you can comp someone to Luck and be that horribly wrong.

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17 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

For me, I just want to see him show progress. 

After hearing Robby talk about the “culture” in NY and Adam Gase, I think the argument could be made to throw out years 2 and 3. 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/sam-darnold/32004441-5246-6141-9e5c-6e7d32a03e33
 

His pro comp in his draft profile was Andrew Luck. He’s tweaked his throwing motion since his college days for the better. He’s still only 23. If he can just get back on track and show more good than bad, I think he’s worth putting time into.

It’ll truly be interesting to see which way this one goes. We have an extremely highly touted prospect versus an extremely dysfunctional organization.   
 

*I’m not saying he’s Andrew Luck btw or anything. I just don’t think you can comp someone to Luck and be that horribly wrong.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/why-panthers-fans-shouldn-t-be-optimistic-that-sam-darnold-s-problems-are-fixable/ar-BB1fopBj?ocid=msedgntp
 

this is a sobering read. He was ranked dead last as a starting qb WITH a clean pocket. 
 

“That’s one thing that stands out when watching Darnold’s film. He’s not really the gunslinger he’s made out to be. There’s a reason why his highlights are always out-of-structure: In structure, he’s terribly conservative. Gase was criticized for his painfully horizontal offense, but have we considered the possibility that it was a result of Darnold’s own limitations as a passer? Those short throws were the only ones he was actually capable of making at an above-average rate…”

since he was really good at those short throws I hope that he will fit into this offense well by getting the ball to our legit YAC playmakers quickly. That’s why I think he’s gonna have a career year. But, teddy did that well also. He has a cannon to go deep and does some good things off-script that teddy didn’t have the ability to do. But he also does mind numbingly stupid throws off script as well. And our oline isn’t that great either. The coaches are gonna have to coach the poo out of him.

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11 hours ago, mav1234 said:

I don't think Darnold will ultimately end up an All Pro, but it is worth noting that people touting how Tannehill showed more before Tennessee are right... but he showed more before Gase showed up, and he looked arguably as bad as Darnold did while Gase was there... Tannehill went from ~2% ints thrown before Gase, a fine number, to 3+%, which is bad decision making indeed. He went from multiple 4k yard, 20+ TD seasons with low int% to being a total disaster of decision making.  But as a rookie, he showed as much or maybe less than Darnold did as a rookie.  Hell, even his second year was pretty comparable to Darnold's... 

The difference is, Tannehill's HUGE downtown happened in his 5th year, when Gase joined the Fins (and Tannehill got injured), while Darnold was exposed to Gase in his 2nd year, and the huge potential so many saw near the end of Darnold's first year did not seem to be realized.  

The huge knock on Tannehill in his last couple years in Miami was how bad his decision making had become.

What's the big knock on Darnold? 

So there's reasons to be optimistic, and IMO that is why we made the trade.

Nice post.

Probably also worth noting that given his overall lack of experience, Darnold really could have used a teacher.

That definitely wasn't Gase.

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21 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I'm not super enthusiastic about this but I will be optimistic. I cant live in a constant state of pessimism like many seem to enjoy. 

But you can live in a constant state of being over critical, undermining, and corrective of others. 

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