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Albert Breer also has us taking Fields, believes Tepper is pushing for it.

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if the Panthers take Fields at 8 and then either he or Darnold works out to be a long-term starter, or even a pro bowl caliber player, then 5 years from now nobody will care that both players were carried on the roster for a period of time.

it's only if neither of them works out that this will be seen as a failure. and even then, the failure will have been in the evaluation of Fields AND Darnold independently, not the decision to take two big shots at the position.

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lord some of you babies whine too damn much, whine because they got rid of washed up cam, whine for signing TB for two years, whine TB sucked, whine about not getting Watson for 3 firsts and 2 seconds,  whine it’s taking Tepper longer than one off-season to find a franchise qb and then whine some more because a first and a second pick may be spent on two different prospects with potential to be next franchise qb

like damn tep burns down beach houses because of people like you

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1 hour ago, Tbe said:

Tep isn’t exactly the ‘stay patient and hope for the best’ type.

 

I get that. And that's likely why he's pushing for Fields. He has said that there are three components to fielding a consistently competitive NFL team - coach, GM, and QB. He's pretty sure he's checked two of the three boxes but there's still a big question mark on the third. I don't think he would be pushing for Fields if we didn't really like him ("we" meaning the football people). Sure, we may have an OT or a CB rated higher than Fields. Great. But, an OT or a CB isn't one of Tepper's core components. If you don't have a franchise QB and you think there's a franchise QB available, you take the QB. Period. A Joe Thomas isn't carrying an average QB to the Super Bowl and neither is a Darrelle Revis. You NEED a franchise QB to consistently compete. A top tier LT or CB are nice pieces but you can build a great team without one. You can't build a great team without a franchise QB.

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39 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I just can’t believe it why do u give all those picks for someone if ur just going to draft one. I really hope it’s a smokescreen. I mean if we didn’t trade for Darnold I would be all for it but now I think that would be crazy with all the value with all these other guys especially LT

Because a QB falling isn't guaranteed, and they are DONE with Teddy. Darnold is insurance, don't know why this is lost on so many people here. We really didn't give up anything aside from a future 2nd. 

The only thing we gave up this year was our final 6th, 2022 comp picks could come into play next year, the 2nd is the only selection of notoriety but we could flip Darnold, and we're likely to receive some pick capitol once we move TB. 

And the 4th next year is easy to recover as well. I don't see any real issues at all. 

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1 minute ago, onmyown said:

lord some of you babies whine too damn much, whine because they got rid of washed up cam, whine for signing TB for two years, whine TB sucked, whine about not getting Watson for 3 firsts and 2 seconds,  whine it’s taking Tepper longer than one off-season to find a franchise qb and then whine some more because a first and a second pick may be spent on two different prospects with potential to be next franchise qb

like damn tep burns down beach houses because of people like you

Congrats on making the whiniest post in this thread whining about whining.

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If you think owners in any organization aren’t going to have some sort of input, you are sadly mistaken. He is very much invested in this team and has made it painfully clear (to the tune of trying to Watson, Stafford, maybe Russ, and Darnold) he wants the QB position addressed. I’m sure he has spoken with Rhule and Fitts on draft scenarios in which they gave their input. Maybe Fields or Lance were players he was high on until speaking with them. We don’t know and probably won’t know.

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23 minutes ago, Smithers said:

I wouldn’t mind Fields.  If the Packers can spend an early pick on a QB with Rodgers on the roster, why the heck can’t we?  Same with the Eagles and Hurts...which essentially saved their tails.  

People aren't ready for this level of honesty, there's so MANY sold on Darnold and the ''he was on the Jets'' now that he's here he should be better rhetoric. 

You know who else was on the Jets, and was Darnold's back up....Teddy, and a lot of y'all anointed him too. We have not SOLVED the QB issue yet, having a LT is great, BUT uhhh, who's throwing the ball?

There are more competent LT prospects than QB's not to mention we can spend FA money for one moving forward with a rookie QB contract in place for 4 years, with the 5 year option in 2026 -- THINK ABOUT THAT POO!

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39 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I just can’t believe it why do u give all those picks for someone if ur just going to draft one. I really hope it’s a smokescreen. I mean if we didn’t trade for Darnold I would be all for it but now I think that would be crazy with all the value with all these other guys especially LT

The trade for Darnold was just to give us flexibility entering the draft. So no matter how the draft falls the Panthers are in a good position to either select BPA, trade down for more picks, or maybe even select a QB we believe can be our guy if he falls to #8. Also those picks we gave up was nothing. In the NFL if you do no believe you have a franchise QB and you are not actively looking for one then you are doing something wrong. The cardinals are good example of this.

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I really think Tepper is just giving Rhule and Fitts permission to be aggressive.

He’s allowing them to take big bets without fearing for their jobs.

They know these kinds of bets could make the team worse.

They won’t put their necks out like that unless the owner is leading the charge.

At the end of the day, if you're taking big risks you're putting your job on the line. Coaches and GMs know this. They know the expectation of the job. If you don't build a winner you're gonna get fired. That's just the nature of the beast.

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If you think owners in any organization aren’t going to have some sort of input, you are sadly mistaken. He is very much invested in this team and has made it painfully clear (to the tune of trying to Watson, Stafford, maybe Russ, and Darnold) he wants the QB position addressed. I’m sure he has spoken with Rhule and Fitts on draft scenarios in which they gave their input. Maybe Fields or Lance were players he was high on until speaking with them. We don’t know and probably won’t know.

Whether he will or won't influence the decision, don't know.

What I do know is that he shouldn't, and if he's smart, he won't.

And to be clear, we don't know for sure what he wants, but I'd say that even if he agreed with everything I think they should do. I'm not gonna change my opinion on owner interference depending on whether he agrees with me or not. It's bad either way.

Let the football people do their jobs.

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55 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/27/nfl-mock-draft-san-francisco-49ers-mac-jones-bengals-jamarr-chase

 

 

it makes sense, we tried signing or trading for almost every big name QB this offseason from Haskins to Trubisky. I think Tepper is hell bent on getting the QB position right

I'm not convinced Field's can make it right.

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Whether he will or won't influence the decision, don't know.

What I do know is that he shouldn't, and if he's smart, he won't.

And to be clear, we don't know for sure what he wants, but I'd say that even if he agreed with everything I think they should do.

Let the football people do their jobs.

What if the situation is that the football people think Fields is a legit franchise QB prospect, but they'd prefer to pick an OT or CB they have graded higher?

We know Tepper's philosophy. Coach, GM, QB. Everything else is a want. Those are the three needs.

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