Week 9 - New England at Carolina

[Hotsauce]

10 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Gotta be candidate for the best post of the year, has got to be 

Hell yeah, thanks for the shout out! 

[frankw]

10 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Damn we still on that arm narrative, that’s crazy, stay married to your opinions I guess 

Reality isn't an opinion. Any suggestion otherwise sounds like the ramblings of a certain someone who deals in alternative facts.

[stackofbacon]

20 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Sorry, Cam won't be starting QB by that time and there's a case to be made that he may not be the starter coming out of training camp. Not saying Mac is ready right now, but that bum shoulder Cam's been working with hasn't been getting any younger or better. 

I hate it for him, he was one of the most spectacular players to hit the field back in his heyday. He did things no one else ever had or might not ever will. But he hasn't been the same guy since Denver knocked the stuffings out of him in the Super Bowl and then did it again on opening day the following season. They tore the cape off of Superman and blew their noses on it.

And it just started the long, slow slide from there. That's football, though. Few, if any, get to go out at their best and few get to hang on for very long at all.

 

spot on post

[raleigh-panther]

Whether Cam starts are not, I’ll be wearing my black #1 jersey and glad to see him

I suspect many others will happily do the same

[frankw]

I will happily put on my #1 jersey and cheer loudly for the Patriots to lose. No sympathy for a modern dynasty and their fans are garbage.

[OneBadCat]

On 5/16/2021 at 12:42 PM, Khyber53 said:

Sorry, Cam won't be starting QB by that time and there's a case to be made that he may not be the starter coming out of training camp. Not saying Mac is ready right now, but that bum shoulder Cam's been working with hasn't been getting any younger or better. 

I hate it for him, he was one of the most spectacular players to hit the field back in his heyday. He did things no one else ever had or might not ever will. But he hasn't been the same guy since Denver knocked the stuffings out of him in the Super Bowl and then did it again on opening day the following season. They tore the cape off of Superman and blew their noses on it.

And it just started the long, slow slide from there. That's football, though. Few, if any, get to go out at their best and few get to hang on for very long at all.

 

I give Denver no credit for that. The NFL didn't protect Cam at all and let him get head hunted in both games. The Cotchery catch and Denver being offsides on both our missed field goals.  The league wanted Peyton Manning to get his retirement trophy, and if Graham Gano wasn't  a snake oil salesmen of a kicker then we would have beat Denver in the rematch. 

Edited May 17, 2021 by OneBadCat

[Mr Mojo Risin]

On 5/12/2021 at 2:32 PM, NAS said:

I am still not convinced that Cam's arm can hold up.  It's evident that his arm gets worse as the year goes on

Last game of the season was one of his better passing games of the year so no there is no "evidence" his arm got weaker. His worst performances came on the back of him returning from Covid. Not because his shoulder lost strength.

[NAS]

1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Last game of the season was one of his better passing games of the year so no there is no "evidence" his arm got weaker. His worst performances came on the back of him returning from Covid. Not because his shoulder lost strength.

I think it's because he only attempted 10 passes the previous game.  He can do it when his arm gets enough rest.  I just don't think he can attempt 30 passes a game every week.

If you look at the games where he threw the ball a lot, he consistently underperformed the following week.  I think Covid set him back, but its impact is overstated.  

 

Game Log

NCAAFNFLNFL

20202019201820172016201520142013201220112020

 

2020 REGULAR SEASON			PASSING											RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG
Sun 1/3	vsNYJ	W 28-14	21	30	242	70.0	8.1	3	0	31	3	127.4	70.8	11	79	7.2	0	49
Mon 12/28	vsBUF	L 38-9	5	10	34	50.0	3.4	0	0	9	2	57.9	45.3	4	24	6.0	1	9
Sun 12/20	@MIA	L 22-12	17	27	209	63.0	7.7	0	0	35	3	86.8	24.7	9	38	4.2	0	11
Thu 12/10	@LAR	L 24-3	9	16	119	56.3	7.4	0	1	31	4	53.9	2.8	7	16	2.3	0	7
Sun 12/6	@LAC	W 45-0	12	19	69	63.2	3.6	1	0	15	1	87.4	64.7	14	48	3.4	2	14
Sun 11/29	vsARI	W 20-17	9	18	84	50.0	4.7	0	2	17	3	23.6	6.0	9	46	5.1	0	14
Sun 11/22	@HOU	L 27-20	26	40	365	65.0	9.1	1	0	50	2	102.6	43.7	3	6	2.0	0	5
Sun 11/15	vsBAL	W 23-17	13	17	118	76.5	6.9	1	0	26	1	114.3	74.3	11	21	1.9	1	8
Mon 11/9	@NYJ	W 30-27	27	35	274	77.1	7.8	0	0	33	0	99.0	91.3	10	16	1.6	2	5
Sun 11/1	@BUF	L 24-21	15	25	174	60.0	7.0	0	0	28	2	81.1	58.3	9	54	6.0	1	19
Sun 10/25	vsSF	L 33-6	9	15	98	60.0	6.5	0	3	21	1	39.7	4.1	5	19	3.8	0	6
Sun 10/18	vsDEN	L 18-12	17	25	157	68.0	6.3	0	2	19	4	51.6	16.1	10	76	7.6	1	38
Sun 9/27	vsLV	W 36-20	17	28	162	60.7	5.8	1	1	27	2	73.8	18.7	9	27	3.0	0	21
Sun 9/20	@SEA	L 35-30	30	44	397	68.2	9.0	1	1	49	1	94.6	77.0	11	47	4.3	2	13
Sun 9/13	vsMIA	W 21-11	15	19	155	78.9	8.2	0	0	25	2	100.7	82.5	15	75	5.0	2	12
REGULAR SEASON STATS			242	368	2,657	65.8	7.2	8	10	50	31	82.9	47.0	137	592	4.3	12	49

[MasterAwesome]

Just gonna leave this here...

 

[rayzor]

It was a hard pill to swallow, but cam is done. He could have been among the greatest ever and could have had at least one ring while he was here, but he was mismanaged and the refs didn't like him for whatever reason and let headhunters go after him without consequence. Worse, the FO didn't have his back and did a piss poor job of finding a way to protect him.

Carolina just didn't do enough. His talent was wasted...but the parties who did the damage here are gone.

It happened. It sucks. But it's time to move on.

[ncstatekwi]

He’s fresh for his Instagram date!!!  

[frankw]

The criticism of any athlete being on social media doesn't add up. Our own #22 has been all over it making the rounds with his significant other living it up and nobody is making snide remarks. One thing I will say for Newton is he is authentic in striving to spread a positive mentality in an online world that thrives on negativity.

[Cpt slay a ho]

9 hours ago, frankw said:

Reality isn't an opinion. Any suggestion otherwise sounds like the ramblings of a certain someone who deals in alternative facts.

Naw, you just missed the boat, been discussed multiple times on here and debunked multiple times on here.

good example is a poster brought up cams last game vs the jets and someone’s rebuttal was because it’s the jets, the jets as disfunctional and organization they are have zero to do with cams arm, he demonstrated numerous times throughout the season his arm was fine 

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, NAS said:

I think it's because he only attempted 10 passes the previous game.  He can do it when his arm gets enough rest.  I just don't think he can attempt 30 passes a game every week.

If you look at the games where he threw the ball a lot, he consistently underperformed the following week.  I think Covid set him back, but its impact is overstated.  

 

Game Log

NCAAFNFLNFL

20202019201820172016201520142013201220112020

 

2020 REGULAR SEASON			PASSING											RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG
Sun 1/3	vsNYJ	W 28-14	21	30	242	70.0	8.1	3	0	31	3	127.4	70.8	11	79	7.2	0	49
Mon 12/28	vsBUF	L 38-9	5	10	34	50.0	3.4	0	0	9	2	57.9	45.3	4	24	6.0	1	9
Sun 12/20	@MIA	L 22-12	17	27	209	63.0	7.7	0	0	35	3	86.8	24.7	9	38	4.2	0	11
Thu 12/10	@LAR	L 24-3	9	16	119	56.3	7.4	0	1	31	4	53.9	2.8	7	16	2.3	0	7
Sun 12/6	@LAC	W 45-0	12	19	69	63.2	3.6	1	0	15	1	87.4	64.7	14	48	3.4	2	14
Sun 11/29	vsARI	W 20-17	9	18	84	50.0	4.7	0	2	17	3	23.6	6.0	9	46	5.1	0	14
Sun 11/22	@HOU	L 27-20	26	40	365	65.0	9.1	1	0	50	2	102.6	43.7	3	6	2.0	0	5
Sun 11/15	vsBAL	W 23-17	13	17	118	76.5	6.9	1	0	26	1	114.3	74.3	11	21	1.9	1	8
Mon 11/9	@NYJ	W 30-27	27	35	274	77.1	7.8	0	0	33	0	99.0	91.3	10	16	1.6	2	5
Sun 11/1	@BUF	L 24-21	15	25	174	60.0	7.0	0	0	28	2	81.1	58.3	9	54	6.0	1	19
Sun 10/25	vsSF	L 33-6	9	15	98	60.0	6.5	0	3	21	1	39.7	4.1	5	19	3.8	0	6
Sun 10/18	vsDEN	L 18-12	17	25	157	68.0	6.3	0	2	19	4	51.6	16.1	10	76	7.6	1	38
Sun 9/27	vsLV	W 36-20	17	28	162	60.7	5.8	1	1	27	2	73.8	18.7	9	27	3.0	0	21
Sun 9/20	@SEA	L 35-30	30	44	397	68.2	9.0	1	1	49	1	94.6	77.0	11	47	4.3	2	13
Sun 9/13	vsMIA	W 21-11	15	19	155	78.9	8.2	0	0	25	2	100.7	82.5	15	75	5.0	2	12
REGULAR SEASON STATS			242	368	2,657	65.8	7.2	8	10	50	31	82.9	47.0	137	592	4.3	12	49

That’s incorrect, the games where he had more passing attempts he yield a significantly better qbr than games where he attempted under 20 passes