TheWolverine.com: “Matt Rhule tops Michigans wish list, sources confirmed”

[Khyber53]

Expect to know something local by Monday.

[Smittymoose]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Had he gotten the job that he unfairly never got a shot at? That’s one of the main concerns in the lawsuit. I get it though, you are wanting some attention by posting dumb poo so here you go. 

You didn't answer the question. If he got the Giants job, would he have filed the lawsuit alleging a number of extraneous complaints against the NFL and the Dolphins? 

Have you read the lawsuit yet? 

[LinvilleGorge]

We're not moving another thread to the TB over this bullshit. See ya in 24 hours @Smittymoose. The next person that tries to TB this up gets a week.

[BullCityP]

4 hours ago, KSpan said:

I'm asking you to make your case for Bieniemy, and it sounds like all you have is 'because other guys got hired too'. I'm just asking to please explain what qualifies him. Reid has had quality offenses for 20 years and his OCs have not turned into quality HCs, with only 2 being HCs and Childress and Shurmur being .500 or below. There have bene other guys however, like Harbaugh, McD, and Pederson, who have had success, but not from the OC position specifically.

Regarding the other guys you brought up, McDaniels has been coordinating to some degree for 15 years, including calling plays for a decade or more, and was an actual HC before (though it didn't go particularly well) and Hackett has also been an OC for 8 years, 5 of them with full play-calling responsibility, including getting Blake Bortles to the AFCCG. They're both much more experienced at those levels than Bieniemy.

It ultimately makes no difference to me; I was just asking since you're the one attempting to make the case. IMO, from my perspective here in KC and following the Chiefs guys give him a lot of credit but it's not clear what Bieniemy is actually responsible for. This article, for example, specifically states that the offense is a collaboration between him and Reid:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/eric-bieniemy-head-coach-andy-reid/rlhpfarvho8m10k3v2f2kjto1

 

[BullCityP]

4 hours ago, KSpan said:

I'm asking you to make your case for Bieniemy, and it sounds like all you have is 'because other guys got hired too'. I'm just asking to please explain what qualifies him. Reid has had quality offenses for 20 years and his OCs have not turned into quality HCs, with only 2 being HCs and Childress and Shurmur being .500 or below. There have bene other guys however, like Harbaugh, McD, and Pederson, who have had success, but not from the OC position specifically.

Regarding the other guys you brought up, McDaniels has been coordinating to some degree for 15 years, including calling plays for a decade or more, and was an actual HC before (though it didn't go particularly well) and Hackett has also been an OC for 8 years, 5 of them with full play-calling responsibility, including getting Blake Bortles to the AFCCG. They're both much more experienced at those levels than Bieniemy.

It ultimately makes no difference to me; I was just asking since you're the one attempting to make the case. IMO, from my perspective here in KC and following the Chiefs guys give him a lot of credit but it's not clear what Bieniemy is actually responsible for. This article, for example, specifically states that the offense is a collaboration between him and Reid:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/eric-bieniemy-head-coach-andy-reid/rlhpfarvho8m10k3v2f2kjto1

U must have forgotten how this conversation started. Someone stated that Bieniemy was horrible and he would be a failure and I asked what made them think that. It's not about me making a case for Bieniemy there are plenty examples of coaches getting jobs before him where he was better qualified for the job, for Pete's sake the Giants hired a freaking Special teams coordinator over him a few seasons ago!! We all know black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do there is no disputing that so we can talk in circles to end up back in the same place. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, BullCityP said:

U must have forgotten how this conversation started. Someone stated that Bieniemy was horrible and he would be a failure and I asked what made them think that. It's not about me making a case for Bieniemy there are plenty examples of coaches getting jobs before him where he was better qualified for the job, for Pete's sake the Giants hired a freaking Special teams coordinator over him a few seasons ago!! We all know black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do there is no disputing that so we can talk in circles to end up back in the same place. 

I think the biggest detriment to Bieniemy getting hired as HC has been Reid. Reid has always been a QB whisperer. Plus it's never really been determined exactly how much of the offense Bieniemy is responsible for on game day and how much is Reid. I think he should have had a shot by now, especially over some of the guys that have gotten one including our own illustrious leader. I also remember reading that he didn't interview particularly well and interviews are important. How much truth is there to that? Who can say for sure. But after being around one of the great QB minds in KC, I'd love to see him be able to impart some of that knowledge here if the position happened to be made available. 

P.S. I will happily donate a snow blower to Mr. Rhule for his new driveway in Ann Arbor. 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Expect to know something local by Monday.

You hear something good? 

[Carl Spackler]

4 hours ago, catnip said:

Rhule leaving for Michigan is a good way out for Tepper to not  admit a hiring mistake .   Allow Fitts to take control to find a new head coach and any other positions that follow Rhule .  Tepper will save a butt load of money not paying Rhule the rest of his contract .  Rhule will take the first college job knowing his job is under fire with the Panthers  Rhule was a Hurney hire which was another mistake .

Rhule was a Tepper hire. Been said over and over.

[Khyber53]

5 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

You hear something good? 

Patience. I've been saying that this ain't over for a couple of weeks now. By next week everything should have shaken out around the NFL. The Harbaugh thing is a big deal that will reshuffle things mightily if it comes to pass.

[ForJimmy]

19 minutes ago, BullCityP said:

U must have forgotten how this conversation started. Someone stated that Bieniemy was horrible and he would be a failure and I asked what made them think that. It's not about me making a case for Bieniemy there are plenty examples of coaches getting jobs before him where he was better qualified for the job, for Pete's sake the Giants hired a freaking Special teams coordinator over him a few seasons ago!! We all know black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do there is no disputing that so we can talk in circles to end up back in the same place. 

Bienemy is coaching one of the consistently top offenses in the league and helped develop Mahomes. Andy Reid runs the offense ultimately, but other teams like the Packers and now Rams (O’Connell getting some interviews) are having their OCs land jobs when their head coaches ultimately run the offense. Bienemy has learned under one of the best QB/Offensive Minded coaches in the business and developed one of the top young QBs. I would love it if we could dump Rhule, sign Bienemy and draft him a Howell/Willis to develop. Who wouldn’t be excited for that?!

[Mike2.0]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Bienemy is coaching one of the consistently top offenses in the league and helped develop Mahomes. Andy Reid runs the offense ultimately, but other teams like the Packers and now Rams (O’Connell getting some interviews) are having their OCs land jobs when their head coaches ultimately run the offense. Bienemy has learned under one of the best QB/Offensive Minded coaches in the business and developed one of the top young QBs. I would love it if we could dump Rhule, sign Bienemy and draft him a Howell/Willis to develop. Who wouldn’t be excited for that?!

I wasn’t aware of it until today, but it could be the case that his rap sheet as a player could be an issue. The coaches from the Rams/Packers haven’t had legal issues. Maybe that could be playing a role in it?

[BullCityP]

23 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think the biggest detriment to Bieniemy getting hired as HC has been Reid. Reid has always been a QB whisperer. Plus it's never really been determined exactly how much of the offense Bieniemy is responsible for on game day and how much is Reid. I think he should have had a shot by now, especially over some of the guys that have gotten one including our own illustrious leader. I also remember reading that he didn't interview particularly well and interviews are important. How much truth is there to that? Who can say for sure. But after being around one of the great QB minds in KC, I'd love to see him be able to impart some of that knowledge here if the position happened to be made available. 

P.S. I will happily donate a snow blower to Mr. Rhule for his new driveway in Ann Arbor. 

I wonder who put that "doesn't interview well" narrative out there? Probably the same ones who put out that Flores is "hard to work with!! Come to think about it have you EVER heard of another candidate that was reported that he "didn't interview well??

[ForJimmy]

12 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

I wasn’t aware of it until today, but it could be the case that his rap sheet as a player could be an issue. The coaches from the Rams/Packers haven’t had legal issues. Maybe that could be playing a role in it?

Honestly this is the first I’ve heard of this.

[BurnNChinn]

37 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

You hear something good? 

No he don’t know anything lol. Rhule isn’t leaving if that was the case we wouldn’t have hired some of the staff already.