Offseason finally here. Let's get down to business.

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, Asaria said:

People out here acting like Rhule killed their dog, wtf?

We had a bad year, poo happens. You all were praising Rhule after year 1, now you turned on him because of low expectations.

We could have Coach Bill, and yall would turn on him after one bad year.

Not saying Rhule is good btw, but some of yall are way too emotional about a game where guys break bones over a bouncy ball.

Most people would have accepted just another bad year. But we gave up 3 draft picks and guaranteed the QB with the worst QBR the last two seasons 19 million dollars. Let me know when coach Bill does some stupid poo like that.

[DeeJay]

We have a Decent GM that knows what he's doing.

Our coach is still a

[electro's horse]

I think the thing I hate the most is people that use the term “capital” to refer to draft picks, ignorant of both the historical implications of that term and how ludicrous and meaningless it is when used in that context. 

[rippadonn]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is considered to b a great draft for offensive linemen.

 

 

 

So naturally, we won't get any of them

Not gonna bother to go back and research it, but it feels like every time I've heard somebody say "this is a great draft for Position X", we've largely ignored Position X.

Last draft was a QB deep draft but we surprised them!

[rippadonn]

33 minutes ago, Asaria said:

People out here acting like Rhule killed their dog, wtf?

We had a bad year, poo happens. You all were praising Rhule after year 1, now you turned on him because of low expectations.

We could have Coach Bill, and yall would turn on him after one bad year.

Not saying Rhule is good btw, but some of yall are way too emotional about a game where guys break bones over a bouncy ball.

You obviously don't see him struggling hopelessly. Throwing guys under the bus on his way down. His Baylor/Temple(tweener, overachievers not elite players not elite coaches) love affair that has lead to a weak roster? We do.

But whatevs.

[SnowPanther]

39 minutes ago, Asaria said:

People out here acting like Rhule killed their dog, wtf?

We had a bad year, poo happens. You all were praising Rhule after year 1, now you turned on him because of low expectations.

We could have Coach Bill, and yall would turn on him after one bad year.

Not saying Rhule is good btw, but some of yall are way too emotional about a game where guys break bones over a bouncy ball.

He’s in over his head and surrounded himself with yes men. If you can’t see that idk what to tell you.

[mrcompletely11]

33 minutes ago, DeeJay said:

We have a Decent GM that knows what he's doing.

Our coach is still a

I am not convince he knows what he is doing.  

[Smohn Jith]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

FYI: Per Albert Breer, most around the NFL feel this year's free agent OL class is pretty weak.

Be that as it may, every FA offensive lineman just celebrated with their agent last night after watching the final quarter of the SuperBowl.

They may not be as good, but teams are going get every lineman they can.

I wouldn't be surprised if we Drafted 1 lineman early and called it a day afterwards.

[Jackie Lee]

20 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am not convince he knows what he is doing.  

Even if getting Darnold wasn't his idea, the actual trade was horrible. Especially considering we had the leverage. We still had Teddy and everyone knew the Jets were gonna draft a QB. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Even if getting Darnold wasn't his idea, the actual trade was horrible. Especially considering we had the leverage. We still had Teddy and everyone knew the Jets were gonna draft a QB. 

And nobody else wanted darnold.  

[raleigh-panther]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Where's the Greg Little in this draft? A guy with some long ass arms and nothing else to offer seems right up Rhule's alley.

…or the QB who wears gloves 

[onmyown]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm honestly past caring. The Panthers have obviously been through their ups and downs over the years but this is easily the most defeated and hopeless I've felt about the organization as a whole as a fan.

how I feel:

 

[Sgt Schultz]

55 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Even if getting Darnold wasn't his idea, the actual trade was horrible. Especially considering we had the leverage. We still had Teddy and everyone knew the Jets were gonna draft a QB. 

We didn't really have Teddy as leverage.  Yes, we still had him on the roster, but remember, after he criticized the Charlotte Camelot, we engaged in a public pi$$ing contest with him that left little doubt he was done in Carolina.  At that point, everybody on planet earth knew he was not going to be a Panther in 2021.   

If I remember, the Jets were publicly saying they were on the fence about drafting a QB because (like us) QB was not their only need, and maybe not even their biggest.  That was almost certainly BS to see if somebody would bite and offer them a king's ransom for the second overall pick or somebody would call them with an offer to "pry" Darnold out of their hands, at a premium of course, since they may still want him as their starter. 

Right about that time we walked onto the used car lot.

54 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And nobody else wanted darnold.  

That was our leverage.  Essentially there were only two teams claiming they are interested in Darnold: them and us.  Their interest was probably not real since Wilson was going to be sitting on the board for them, and our interest is only kicking tires unless the price is right.  The only thing we had to offer if we HAD to have Darnold was enough for the Jets to decide not to keep him on the roster for roughly $4.75M (including the roster bonus) as a backup and then potentially lose him for no return at all after that. 

If what we ultimately settled on was their price for that, well, onto the next used car lot or the QB depth chart becomes PJ and Grier.  That is an awful situation, but Darnold and PJ did not bring fear to opponent's hearts and it almost didn't matter, because our OL was still awful, too.

So, we skillfully publicly torpedoed any idea we would just roll with Teddy.  Ironically, Teddy's main complaints were likely correct.  And we thought that if we just had a better QB we were a playoff team.  The fact that our OL was awful and we still had other significant holes in the roster from tearing it down to the studs (and rightfully so) and starting overlooked, not only in this deal but on draft day, too.

Not for nothing, but there were a lot of people on this board who thought if our QB was better than Teddy, we were a playoff team.  So our brain trust was not the only delusional group.

A year later, we are arguably in the exact same place.  Darnold is a little cheaper than Teddy would have been in year 3 (had we opted to keep him), but nobody is even going to give us a 7th round pick or Darnold. 

[Jackie Lee]

6 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

A year later, we are arguably in the exact same place.  Darnold is a little cheaper than Teddy would have been in year 3 (had we opted to keep him), but nobody is even going to give us a 7th round pick or Darnold. 

Definitely not getting anything for Darnold. If anything we would have to send Darnold and a 3rd round pick or something for someone to eat half his salary as an expensive backup. What a total waste of time and resources