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Panthers going to deal for Baker or Jimmy G? Not so fast per Fowler (tonight)


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I don't mind a rookie QB being draft in the 2nd round if it means they don't give up any future year draft picks. Deal Robby Anderson for a 2nd or 3rd and I'm good. Matt Corral, Malik Willis, or Sam Howell at the back of the 2nd round or early 3rd round is a great deal. 

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I get people don't want to trade future capital, but I would be absolutely okay with trading back into the 2nd or 3rd to snatch Willis or Howell.  It will depend on the compensation of course, but that is a lot of value at a major, major position of need.

I'd probably prefer Howell.  I like Willis more if you are talking 1st round because you want that upside when you are picking that high, but Howell's floor is FAR higher so I like him a bit more in the 2nd or 3rd if that logic makes sense.

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3 minutes ago, Mage said:

I get people don't want to trade future capital, but I would be absolutely okay with trading back into the 2nd or 3rd to snatch Willis or Howell.  It will depend on the compensation of course, but that is a lot of value at a major, major position of need.

I'd probably prefer Howell.  I like Willis more if you are talking 1st round because you want that upside when you are picking that high, but Howell's floor is FAR higher so I like him a bit more in the 2nd or 3rd if that logic makes sense.

Agreed. Howell is a film junkie and everyone is down on him for no good reasons after 2021 season. Go get him and we’ve had a heck of an off-season. 

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Glad to see that it looks like Fitts is starting to win the personnel battles. You know Rhule would rather go for yet another trash heap vet.

i think both Rhule and Tepper just needed to admit they don't know what they are doing and just let the guys who know how the league works (Fitt and Morgan) take care of building the team. Message to Tepper and Rhule..... just sit back, shut up, and take notes.

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I could see both Jimmy or Baker AND a rookie QB here. Would require some maneuvering with Sam and basically getting Jimmy or Baker for free (which seems possible, they don't really have any value with their current contracts). But if you take a Willis or Howell they shouldn't be starting year 1, and I really hope we don't have to see Sam for another year. Grabbing Baker with the upfront expectation from both sides essentially that it's a 1 year arrangement for him to rehab his value and help get us to the playoffs and bridge to Willis would be a great situation if you ask me. I'm not a big Baker fan but with this OL and a healthy McCaffrey/Moore I think we could have an above average offense with Baker under center.

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Man, this is the wrong draft to not have a couple high 2nd rounders.  I'd almost be tempted to make a stupid trade to move up to the top of the 2nd and grab Nakobe Dean and/or Malik Willis or Corral.  MLB and QB are our 2 biggest holes now.  Our only glaring holes really.  All of a sudden they have built a very nice roster.  If we can figure out the QB spot I really think we could make some noise this year. 

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Howell does seem the most likely at this point. would be very cool to have both NC State and UNC represented on the team in such a big way...provided that they did well. I can see Howell happening more than anyone else at this point, though. 

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    • I feel like this trade just lives rent free in people's heads and keeps morphing into different things. First thing is that the rumored trade was for future firsts. They wouldn't have any extra picks in 2023; the firsts would have been for 2024 and 2025. With very few exceptions, NFL GMs don't value picks that far away. You have to have a lot of job security to pull that off. Like Chiefs, Eagles, Rams kinda stability. That's obviously not the case with David Tepper, especially since he'd just fired his head coach. No GM except for like Howie Roseman is going to trade an asset you have now for a future asset you probably get to use.  Second, at the time you'd have to assume these are first rounders late in the first round. Obviously currency is currency and the panthers need young players, but these weren't slam dunk top ten picks. At the end of the day there's one pick that separates a first and second round pick.  Lastly, the only place that ever reported this trade was the Rams. All the reporters just repeated what McVay said and it became gospel. We have no idea how serious the negotiations were, if they ever really happened, if the offer was real, etc. And I personally believe McVay and Sneed are the kind of guys who would make up rumors like that to fug up other teams, mostly because I assume if I've thought of it someone smarter than me has.  I don't know how you'd call it the greatest draft haul of all time. Firsts quickly lose their value the farther out they are and Burns had 16.5 sacks last season. And anyway those picks would probably just been tossed into the burning inferno of the Bryce trade up so it's a moot point anyway. 
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