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Analyzing the New OL

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Snake Grand Master

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2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

No thank you.

Let Moton play where he's at his best, and let Icky learn.  We aren't likely to make the playoffs this season unless Baker comes and is great.

Smart because we have elite talent at QB to prevent those sacks. What was I thinking... 🙄

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5 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

They require stout defenses, too. It's all about time of possession and ball control if you're a running team.

We've got our work cut out for us on this. We're going to have to field an NFL- level defense, not something cribbed from college ranks or from the 1973 semi-pro Canton Steamrollers. 

That All Defensive draft from a couple of years ago has you on your way, right?

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41 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Then it's best not to weaken two postions, let the rookie take his lumps this season with Darnold back there and not Corral/other potential first rounder next season.

You're not weakening both positions. You're putting people in a position to succeed. 

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1 hour ago, Snake said:

You're not weakening both positions. You're putting people in a position to succeed. 

Play guys at their best positions.  Moton is best at RT, Ickey is best at LT and quite honestly better than Christensen.

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18 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We had a chance to take the best pass blocking OT in the draft, the most versatile OT in the draft, or the best run blocking OT--we chose the best run-blocker.

So if you read the tea leaves, we are going to run the football more. 

We added D'Onta Foreman, a big bruising back.  CMC returns with more support.  We kept Thomas (a good blocking TE) and Tremble (a great blocking TE) will be a year older.

It makes sense.  We have a raw rookie and a bust at QB who throws a lot of pics.  putting the ball in CMC's hands and taking it from the QB is smart.  If the D plays well, we should stay in games.

We have skill position players that are built for a WCO.

We have an OC with a primarily WCO background.

But we no longer have an ideal WCO line.

That's not to say it can't work, but I find it... curious.

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2 hours ago, @bonafidebanter said:

That All Defensive draft from a couple of years ago has you on your way, right?

You'd think, but honestly, it's been a hollow group for the most part. Unable to stop the run, mismanaged, disappointing when it comes down to it.

Still, I hope. Somehow.

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Not going to lie, Iky being a run blocking LT bothers me. The main job of the LT is to protect the QBs blindside. He gave up a few sacks in ACC play so what you expect to happen when he plays NFL? maybe I’m wrong but I could see him being a better Guard and BC being our LT. Honestly I wouldn’t care as long as both do a good job at their postions. I know many would think Iky would be a bust if he ended up being a guard but if he can consistently be a top G then I wouldn’t see him as a bust.

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8 hours ago, L-TownCat said:

Its a shot at doubling down on running the ball when the league/game is obviously trending towards the pass.  IMO its another example of how backwards and limited this staff is.  No matter the situation they make the wrong adjustment or none at all.

The only thing wrong with your perspective,  is you don't make Sam, nor  rookie QB the focal point of a pass happy offense. That's how you continue to lose games, period.  The passing game can evolve. 

 

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20 hours ago, MHS831 said:

31st ranked OL in 2021: CAROLINA PANTHERS

LT Cam Erving | 56.0
LG Michael Jordan | 50.8
C/G Pat Elflien 50.1
RG John Miller | 52.1
RT Taylor Moton | 77.8

Carolina’s offensive line was always going to become an issue given the players they prioritized to acquire in the offseason. Taylor Moton earned a 77.8 PFF grade and was one of the better right tackles in the NFL, but he was the only one of 11 linemen to end with a grade above 67.0. John Miller and Michael Jordan, who played just 21 games combined, allowed 13 sacks from their guard spots, and three different linemen earned PFF pass-blocking grades lower than 40.0. This offensive line performance was a true case of reaping what you sow.---PFF

FWIW, Brady Christensen had a rough start and strong finish at T, but his overall PFF score was 61.6--better than 60% of the 2021 starters.  Here is what the new acquisitions look like, using PFF scores to gauge:

  • Brady Christensen 61.6 (this does not reflect the growth in 2021; BC ended the season with positive momentum)
  • Bradley Bozeman  73.3  (as center, excellent on double-team blocks)
  • Austin Corbett  68.8 (in a pass-happy offense in LA--more runs would increase rating because he is excellent at reaching second level)
  • Taylor Moton 77.8
  • Ickey Ekwonu N/A (Best run-blocking LT in college football)

Three new linemen, all good to excellent run blocking. Expect improvement from BC from his rookie year, and expect Corbett's effectiveness to increase in a run-first offense.

We added D. Foreman as a big RB, CMC should be healthy (and better protected),  And expect Tremble to be more active in the run game as a blocker. 

We had a chance to take the best pass blocking OT in the draft, the most versatile OT in the draft, or the best run blocking OT--we chose the best run-blocker.

So if you read the tea leaves, we are going to run the football more. 

We added D'Onta Foreman, a big bruising back.  CMC returns with more support.  We kept Thomas (a good blocking TE) and Tremble (a great blocking TE) will be a year older.

It makes sense.  We have a raw rookie and a bust at QB who throws a lot of pics.  putting the ball in CMC's hands and taking it from the QB is smart.  If the D plays well, we should stay in games.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I can see both sides on this one and I wouldn’t mind it but let's be honest look at some of the horse crap Rhules played at LT instead of moving Moton.... he won't do it.

He moved Moton to LT one game last year, first that BC had to start I think, and he got 2 false start penalties and didn't look like his normal self. Back to RT the next week, lesson already learned on that one. 

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