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Jeremy Fowler on Panthers QB search


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24 minutes ago, Pakmeng said:

I'm guessing you looked T some headlines on fan sites and Mike Florio.

When an economist did an actual study he found different.

You aren't going to like this but it was found that wonderlic is a stronger indicator of success than draft position.

 

The study: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00036846.2017.1412081?journalCode=raec20

 

The artical explaining by same guy:

https://www.businessinsider.com/wonderlic-test-can-predict-long-term-success-for-nfl-quarterbacks-2020-4#:~:text=In other words%2C if two,more success in the NFL.

 

The artical was 2020 and the economists said no analysis existed so your claim of study after study can't be true. Florios opinion isn't a study.

Even in the link you offer there is a side mention of the daughter of the creator of the wonderlic test who says it is useless in this day and age.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-daughter-of-wonderlic-test-creator-isnt-happy-with-the-nfl/

What's your personal opinion on it? At best it's hit and miss. Definitely not something we should judge a QB on before they have played meaningful time in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes and Geno Smith had the same wonderlic score of 24 🤷‍♂️

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9 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yup. Corral scoring 15 and Darnold scoring 28 makes no difference in watching tape and seeing that Corral can process football plays quicker than Darnold. Also the wonderlic has nothing to do with having the balls to stand in the pocket and not run around like a chicken with your head cut off. I've done sample test/quizzes and it seems like a lot of stupid trick math questions. Point me towards a good free one, I'm curious to see one that's closer to whatever "official" test these guys have to take. It's like getting a food handlers license or drivers license. Just memorize a bunch of bullshit for a week, pass the test and never think about it ever again

Playing the devils advocate here, but why the hell didn’t Corral study and memorize this useless information? 

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11 hours ago, onmyown said:

 

Manage expectations. In reality the odds are against Corral and it will likely take quite a bit of time (minimum a full season) for him to even be ready to truly play. 

 

The odds are against every single quarterback that gets drafted ever.   Just look at Lawrence.   It was said he was a sure thing, and yet he struggled a lot.  Might work out eventually, but it shows just how much tougher it is to play qb in the NFL than it is in  college.  In fact, if you look at the qb's drafted in the top 10 over the last few years, the majority of them are backups or out of the league.  Even if you look at the qb's drafted number 1 overall, more than half of them  don't live up to expectations.  IMO, Corral has the same chance of succeeding that just about anyone we might draft next year.  

 

That being said, if he doesn't look good this year, then I don't have an issue with drafting someone else next year.  

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31 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Playing the devils advocate here, but why the hell didn’t Corral study and memorize this useless information? 

Because he wanted to come to Carolina and if he scored to high, he knew that someone else could pick him before we got him?  

 

lol

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12 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

Not really trying to be pessimistic but does anyone here actually think this kid is going to be really good or decent for that matter? Or are they just happy he isn’t Sam Darnold?

 I am very underwhelmed with this class and I had Corral tied with Howell for 4th best in the group this year. 

I think that this class could be as good as last year's group.  Here is why:  Last year's QBs all came from optimal situations for QBs--Bama, Ohio State, NDSU, Clemson, and BYU (if you consider their schedule).  This year?  Liberty, Pitt, Ole Miss, UNC---not ideal situations.  This year's group will play for better teams than last year's group:  Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Carolina (gulp), and Washington--as a group, better.

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17 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

- Panthers engaged in trade talks with Browns on day 2 regarding Baker Mayfield however he didn't get the sense the Panthers were enthusiastic about the possibility

- Baker was open to Panthers but more of an "anywhere but Cleveland" perspective 

- Panthers were much more intrigued with Matt Corral and also liked Sam Howell 

- Matt Corral underwhelmed in interviews with multiple teams

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33883074/key-intel-all-32-teams-2022-nfl-draft-buzz-exec-reactions-depth-chart-fits-remaining-needs-comes-next

You are interviewing for your next job everyday on your current job.  Not sure what questions he "failed" in the interview, but it sounds like a "arms to short" or "hands to small" measure anyway.

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15 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Corral had the lowest Wonderlic score of any QB in this class he's probably a dumb dumb 

Darnold had a better score than Mayfield, Roethlisberger, Prescott and  Mahomes, so I guess we're good to go.

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3 hours ago, frankw said:

Even in the link you offer there is a side mention of the daughter of the creator of the wonderlic test who says it is useless in this day and age.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-daughter-of-wonderlic-test-creator-isnt-happy-with-the-nfl/

What's your personal opinion on it? At best it's hit and miss. Definitely not something we should judge a QB on before they have played meaningful time in the NFL. Patrick Mahomes and Geno Smith had the same wonderlic score of 24 🤷‍♂️

He says its useless, because it is, and always was.

All a written test can do is tell how good you will do on that test.  It cannot measure "aptitude", or future aptitude.   it cannot measure your ability  to process or ability learn to play football.  

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I’m fine with Corral in the third, he’s a low risk high reward pick. It is true that this class of QBs was below average, and most people had at least one other guy graded above Matt going into the draft. He probably won’t start this year, but hell, some first rounders don’t even start their first years. 
 

I think most of us would love for him to come out guns blazing week one and light up the league. It’s just most likely not going to happen. And because of that, the Panthers will have a good chance at a top QB next season. Probably a new coach as well. 
 

The good news, is whoever is taking snaps for us at the start of 2023 is going to have a pretty nice roster to help them. 

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13 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

Not really trying to be pessimistic but does anyone here actually think this kid is going to be really good or decent for that matter? Or are they just happy he isn’t Sam Darnold?

 I am very underwhelmed with this class and I had Corral tied with Howell for 4th best in the group this year. 

You know how the old saying goes. The backup qb is the most popular guy in town when the team sucks (until he actually plays). I think we are well into that situation here.

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1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It doesn’t take great intelligence to play football (or be any athlete for that matter).

Totally wrong...

Plenty of athletic endeavors require intelligence to succeed. Heck, professional quarterback is considered by some to be the hardest position there is to play in sports because of the mental requirements.

 

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Totally wrong...

Plenty of athletic endeavors require intelligence to succeed. Heck, professional quarterback is considered by some to be the hardest position there is to play in sports because of the mental requirements.

 

Agree but I think Wundrbread isn't thinking intelligence in the way you are. There are many ways to measure intelligence. For instance, book smart vs street smart. And that's a REAL thing. I've met a ton of people that were one or the other. I'd think QB intelligence is more on the street smart side than the book smart side. 

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1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It doesn’t take great intelligence to play football (or be any athlete for that matter).

 

Well it’s not an IQ test, it’s basically a timed problem solving test. But damn, 15  out of 50 is 30%. 

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