Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Insight into the broken relationship between the Browns and Mayfield

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

hepcat Grand Master

hepcat

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

he gave up 4million dollars to get traded here. He is only able to get that money in full if he starts 70% of the games, gets to the playoffs, and makes the pro bowl. 

He was probably going to hold out in Cleveland, get fined, wouldn’t make his salary, etc. Browns weren’t going to cut him because if he got cut the Browns would be eating way more of a cap hit. Baker still got ~78% of his salary and the Browns didn’t take a $19m cap hit. Him taking a pay cut had to happen otherwise both he and the browns were in a no win situation. Seemed like a pretty solid deal all around. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
onmyown Grand Master

onmyown

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Mayfield was widely viewed as childish and immature. His behavior annoyed teammates and divided the locker room. He was often difficult to coach.

 

 

And yet when Cam got literally got almost identical criticism it’s really because ?.

Too bad Baker doesn't have that excuse. So logic says this must be legit.

  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheCasillas Grand Master

TheCasillas

Posted
Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, hepcat said:

He was probably going to hold out in Cleveland, get fined, wouldn’t make his salary, etc. Browns weren’t going to cut him because if he got cut the Browns would be eating way more of a cap hit. Baker still got ~78% of his salary and the Browns didn’t take a $19m cap hit. Him taking a pay cut had to happen otherwise both he and the browns were in a no win situation. Seemed like a pretty solid deal all around. 

Correction. The Browns told him not to come to the faciltiies, since they did that... they surrendered the ability to fine him for not showing up to any team coordinated events. That is why the browns have been critized for handling this situation so poorly. They gave up all of the leverage in June. Baker didnt have to play a down for them due to them telling him to not come to camp. Baker legit could have sat out this entire season and made every dollar. 

If baker would have showed up to OTAs after them requesting - then they could have punished him. However, Baker was sark about it. 

Edited by TheCasillas
Link to comment
Share on other sites
frankw Grand Master

frankw

Posted
Posted

I really don't give a poo about the Browns. Either he will play at a high level here or he won't. But when you put aside all this bickering he said she said he has actually seen success as a starter. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and if it doesn't work we'll be talking draft again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Tr3ach Grand Master

Tr3ach

Posted
Posted
54 minutes ago, Verge said:

I think something that gets slept on is his relationship with OBJ. It was two divas who let their stuff get personal, and OBJ is something of a legend in the league who has a lot of relationships around the NFL. OBJ saying certain things about Baker holds a lot of weight within the Browns locker room, and a lot of wide receiver locker rooms in the NFL -coughRobbycough- so perhaps this idea of him rubbing "teammates" the wrong way is more to do with an individual spat with the wrong player, and that kind of spills over.

Baker very clearly intentionally ignored OBJ on the field after OBJ spit venom, he is the QB/leader and clearly needs to mature and not cute off his nose to spite his face. He has maturing to do, hopefully he can grow and has learned with this second chance.

I've been wondering about that too.  The main thing everyone mad  about the move talks about is how he has a bad attitude and is bad for the locker room and I always heard he was popular with most of his teammates the seasons before that.  Its weird how much hate Baker gets for that and OBJ gets a full pass even though he actually has a big history of that type of stuff. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
frankw Grand Master

frankw

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I've been wondering about that too.  The main thing everyone mad  about the move talks about is how he has a bad attitude and is bad for the locker room and I always heard he was popular with most of his teammates the seasons before that.  Its weird how much hate Baker gets for that and OBJ gets a full pass even though he actually has a big history of that type of stuff. 

We'll never get the whole story of that and I have little doubt Baker shares a good bit of blame in it. Let's keep this in full perspective though. Beckham Jr is talented but the man is also a damn lunatic. Never will forget the sight of him intentionally trying to turn Josh Norman into a vegetable on the field.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Tr3ach Grand Master

Tr3ach

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, frankw said:

We'll never get the whole story of that and I have little doubt Baker shares a good bit of blame in it. Let's keep this in full perspective though. Beckham Jr is talented but the man is also a damn lunatic. Never will forget the sight of him intentionally trying to turn Josh Norman into a vegetable on the field.

Yea I'm sure baker definitely shoulders some of the blame.  It's just weird that he has turned into this villain while OBJ who has a history of drama and bs comes out smelling like roses and the majority of people seemingly cheering for him to get a sb.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mav1234 Grand Master

mav1234

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, onmyown said:

And yet when Cam got literally got almost identical criticism it’s really because ?.

Too bad Baker doesn't have that excuse. So logic says this must be legit.

Cam was never credited with dividing a locker room etc. Fans got upset with his behavior at times, sure, but it never seemed like players or coaches did...

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Carolina Cajun Grand Master

Carolina Cajun

Posted
Posted

Sure sounds like what a ton of people said after cams first 3 seasons.  "cAm CaNt WiN cLoSe GaMeS!".  That said, I didnt watch much, they could be right, but after the idiotic rhetoric around Cam, I take that kind of criticism with a grain of salt.  As I've always said, if they're on my team, I'm 100% behind em.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • MHS831
      Time to Sign David Njoku

      By MHS831 · Posted

      Great point.    I would lke to add that there is another QB on the roster who was terrible over the middle--Kenny Pickett.  
    • MHS831
      Strength of Schedule

      By MHS831 · Posted

      I don't think this is the year for Carolina, unfortunately.  I think they will have to make a decision on the QB position-all we know is that Bryce has year 5, but a long term deal has not been signed--yet--and they would be smart to take a "wait and see" approach.  I have not kept up, and I see a path to upside for Bryce, but I do not think we have aggressively pursued a QB when our QB was mediocre to worse than mediocre.  yes, his numbers are improving--but he has adapted by eliminating what he does poorly and not improving on what he does poorly.  Just my take and I have no data to support this view.   Basically, we go as Bryce goes, so the approach is not to bring in a QB to have him compete until we find one, but it is to make Bryce as good as he can be--is that good enough? Season ticket holders buy the hope of winning rings, not winning 8 games. Last year, Bryce had a resurgence.  Take away TMac and Rico Dowdle.  How good was he?  I still have hope.  Not a hater of plan A, but a hater because we have no plan B.
    • BrewerHouseBeer
      The Carolina Huddle

      By BrewerHouseBeer · Posted

      Yeah man, I've been here for a very very long time. Couldn't even begin to tell you what year. Maybe 2004 or 5? I've never really been super active, just enjoy reading everyone's opinions and discussions. I'll chime in from time to time. I have had a few different accounts over the years. It's always been a fun place for me to check in on my favorite team. Hopefully we can keep the place running for a long while still. I also would like to recommend bringing back the Lovely Ladies page!
×
×
  • Create New...