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... not trading for Jimmy Garoppolo.

The general issue with Baker Mayfield was supposed to be bad attitude. Garoppolo comes off as something worse here, specifically a bad teammate.

It was already likely to be difficult for the 49ers to get anything for him. This story certainly doesn't help.

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5 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Didn't Browns release hit pieces on Baker when he was officially up for trade?

My sense is that negative articles about Mayfield were coming out before he was ever up for trade.

Putting out stuff like this when you're trying to get something back for a player would be kind of counterproductive.

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10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Dear lord, you can’t see the difference? One guy has been a thorn in the coaching staff’s side and clearly not a team guy, the other is a clearly a team guy.

Corral isn’t close to ready, regardless of reps. Maybe, just maybe the staff is actually deciding who to be Baker’s backup. If they can pawn Sam off on someone and save even a few million, then PJ’s the backup. Unless you want to tank, I don’t see Corral as even backup ready.

Again, the difference is pretty stark.

You're not going to get a trade for PJ Walker, but someone noted that the Panthers radio guys said one of the reasons Walker was out there so much was to try and showcase him for another team.

It's not the Panthers responsibility to help PJ Walker find another job.

It is very much their responsibility to get Matt Corral ready to play in the NFL.

But again, which of those two things is Matt Rhule more focused on?

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're not going to get a trade for PJ Walker, but someone noted that the Panthers radio guys said one of the reasons Walker was out there so much was to try and showcase him for another team.

It's not the Panthers responsibility to help PJ Walker find another job.

It is very much their responsibility to get Matt Corral ready to play in the NFL.

But again, which of those two things is Matt Rhule focused on?

Well...it would be nice to get something for PJ.  Would that be a bad thing to hope for?

 

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9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Corral isn’t close to ready, regardless of reps.

How could you know that? I didn't realize you had a Siege Perilous that lets you look into the other alternate universes where we cut PJ after we traded for Baker and Corral got the reps he needed so you know know he wouldn't be be close to ready even if he got them. Truly amazing.

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5 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Well...it would be nice to get something for PJ.  Would that be a bad thing to hope for?

To Hope for? No.

To expect? Unfortunately yes, especially at this time of year when everybody knows massive cuts are going to be coming shortly.

It's already understood by pretty much everyone that the Panthers aren't keeping Walker. There's no real incentive for anybody to even offer a ham sandwich. And again, as it is with Darnold, one preseason performance isn't going to erase past tape.

(definitely not when that preseason performance includes throwing a ball downfield when you had an open path to a first down two yards in front of you)

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23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm kind of struck by a contrast here...

The 49ers, planning to part ways with Jimmy Garoppolo, tell him not to bother showing up for training camp.

The Panthers, expecting to part ways with PJ Walker, give him the majority of snaps in their first preseason game.

It was more about evaluating guys actually fighting for a roster spot. 

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