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CPantherKing Grand Master

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7 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Stop overreacting. Everyone knew he would need time to develop at a pass blocker but be an immediate upgrade to run blocking. His measurables, intelligence, plus athletic ability all check off that he can be a great LT. He gave a good OL coach to develop him so let’s no rush to judgement before the preseason is even over. 
Butler isn’t on the team. So you just leave out Peppers, Cam, Luke, CMC, and other first round picks we nailed? S

Because Ickey as a LT is not trending toward a "nailed" first round pick.

Luke was out of position at OLB too and they moved him to MLB quickly. Leave him at OLB and he would have struggled.

Imagine Peppers if he was not sacking the QB, but he was good against the run. Imagine CMC if he couldn't catch well and struggled between the tackles. Imagine Cam if he couldn't pass for more than 300 yards in a game. Imagine Luke if he couldn't get off a block and be among the lead leader in tackles.

As a LT, Ickey's priority is to keep the blindside of the QB clean and let him pass from the pocket without worrying about the pass rush. If Ickey allows more than 5 sacks, 10 hits, and 30 pressures on the season, he is on a Vernon Butler trajectory. He looks like he will be on pace for 20 sacks, 40 hits, and 130 pressures with 600 pass attempts in 17 games.

You pick. 5 sacks and a Peppers like path, or 20 sacks and a Butler like path? He just allowed 2 sacks in less than 1 half of play against the Patriots.

He faces 4 of the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. He will line up across from TJ Watt (1), Myles Garrett (3), Nick Bosa (4), Trey Hendrickson (5), Aaron Donald (7), Cam Jordan (8), Chandler Jones (14), Markus Golden (12), Shaquil Barrett (16), and Leonard Floyd (18) during his rookie season. All of these pass rushers are better than Burns and on par with Judon.

This doesn't include the stunts he will likely face from Cameron Heyward and blitzes off the side from several DBs.

We will quickly learn if he belongs at LT and preseason is not showing he will be able to handle it.

That is the difference. The Peppers go up against the best and win in their rookie season. The Butlers struggle and get benched.

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First of all, He's a rookie.  It is not going to be a cake walk and I am sure he'll give up his fair share of sacks this year.   He'll learn

Secondly, if he moves into the guard spot for a season it doesn't make him a bust.  It just means he needs time to develop into a LT.

Third, only a moron would call him a bust after his first official start at LT.  

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23 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Because Ickey as a LT is not trending toward a "nailed" first round pick.

Luke was out of position at OLB too and they moved him to MLB quickly. Leave him at OLB and he would have struggled.

Imagine Peppers if he was not sacking the QB, but he was good against the run. Imagine CMC if he couldn't catch well and struggled between the tackles. Imagine Cam if he couldn't pass for more than 300 yards in a game. Imagine Luke if he couldn't get off a block and be among the lead leader in tackles.

As a LT, Ickey's priority is to keep the blindside of the QB clean and let him pass from the pocket without worrying about the pass rush. If Ickey allows more than 5 sacks, 10 hits, and 30 pressures on the season, he is on a Vernon Butler trajectory. He looks like he will be on pace for 20 sacks, 40 hits, and 130 pressures with 600 pass attempts in 17 games.

You pick. 5 sacks and a Peppers like path, or 20 sacks and a Butler like path? He just allowed 2 sacks in less than 1 half of play against the Patriots.

He faces 4 of the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. He will line up across from TJ Watt (1), Myles Garrett (3), Nick Bosa (4), Trey Hendrickson (5), Aaron Donald (7), Cam Jordan (8), Chandler Jones (14), Markus Golden (12), Shaquil Barrett (16), and Leonard Floyd (18) during his rookie season. All of these pass rushers are better than Burns and on par with Judon.

This doesn't include the stunts he will likely face from Cameron Heyward and blitzes off the side from several DBs.

We will quickly learn if he belongs at LT and preseason is not showing he will be able to handle it.

That is the difference. The Peppers go up against the best and win in their rookie season. The Butlers struggle and get benched.

I’ve already posted how all 3 of the top LTs are struggling early this preseason and Penning (4th one drafted) allowed 3 sacks in preseason game one. Sewell struggled in the preseason last year. Icky is projected to be a great LT and people/analysts loved the pick. If you want to freak out and call it a wasted pick after a preseason fans go right ahead and prepare yourself for a long season of overreacting. 

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I’ve already posted how all 3 of the top LTs are struggling early this preseason and Penning (4th one drafted) allowed 3 sacks in preseason game one. Sewell struggled in the preseason last year. Icky is projected to be a great LT and people/analysts loved the pick. If you want to freak out and call it a wasted pick after a preseason fans go right ahead and prepare yourself for a long season of overreacting. 

I swear ppl forgot how football worked dealing with their hate for Matt Rhule...lol

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2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’ve already posted how all 3 of the top LTs are struggling early this preseason and Penning (4th one drafted) allowed 3 sacks in preseason game one. Sewell struggled in the preseason last year. Icky is projected to be a great LT and people/analysts loved the pick. If you want to freak out and call it a wasted pick after a preseason fans go right ahead and prepare yourself for a long season of overreacting. 

I red flagged Penning too and pointed out why before the draft. The better OTs in this draft were drafted in the mid rounds.

Penning will be a bust. Ickey will be a starting guard.

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4 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

I red flagged Penning too and pointed out why before the draft. The better OTs in this draft were drafted in the mid rounds.

Penning will be a bust. Ickey will be a starting guard.

So in what was regarded as a deep LT draft, we take the top rated one and all 4 of the top 4 are busts because they struggle in preseason? Would you have swapped Sewell to guard when he struggled last year? Turns out he developed in a good tackle. 

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