baker is a franchise quarterback

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, joemac said:

What part of after the first quarter is so hard for you to understand? Yes, the beginning of the game was atrocious. We got punched in the mouth. But after that he did his job.

So tell me again why we are discounting the first quarter?

[top dawg]

29 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

I give Baker zero blame.  
 

ZERO!!

Baker's interception was definitely a bad one. He is not without blame.

Baker's going to have to play much better than he did.today before I proclaim him as our future. I didn't see anything different than I've always seen from Baker. His consistency is lacking and his decision making is still suspect until it isn't. 

In my opinion, some Panthers' fans just want a franchise QB so bad, that they've mentally lowered their expectations.

I'm not saying Baker can't be a franchise QB, but today's play is not what I'd consider fitting for a franchise-level QB in today's NFL. He simply has to do better. No cap!

Edited September 11, 2022 by top dawg

[panthers55]

The best thing to me was adjustments by Baker and McAdoo in the second half. When was the last time we had an OC who could adjust and change the playcalling. Baker was also quicker and more decisive on his throws. It surely wasn't his fault we lost.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Hey, mrcompletely, why aren't you defending Ickey in the thread about him being a bust?

[onmyown]

No, he isn’t. Just stop.

[AlphabetsEnd]

The offense was not balanced the first half and it played to CLE strengths. When they incorporated the run, and stopped relying on short-passing, it opened up the offense more, and prevented CLE from just rushing the passer. 

It was Mayfield's first game with this team, after being acquired late, with a QB competition and OL competition delaying chemistry. 

It could have remained ugly in the second half and it didn't. 

Mayfield had a game winning drive that the refs took away at the end (and a good kick by the rookie.) 

[Monrowed]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

So tell me again why we are discounting the first quarter?

Lol, why are you discounting the fourth quarter?

lol, Carry on mrcomplainy9999 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

5 minutes ago, AlphabetsEnd said:

The offense was not balanced the first half and it played to CLE strengths. When they incorporated the run, and stopped relying on short-passing, it opened up the offense more, and prevented CLE from just rushing the passer. 

It was Mayfield's first game with this team, after being acquired late, with a QB competition and OL competition delaying chemistry. 

It could have remained ugly in the second half and it didn't. 

Mayfield had a game winning drive that the refs took away at the end (and a good kick by the rookie.) 

There is no room for logic on this board, dude.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Baker's interception was definitely a bad one. He is not without blame.

Baker's going to have to play much better than he did.today before I proclaim him as our future. I didn't see anything different than I've always seen from Baker. His consistency is lacking and his decision making is still suspect until it isn't. 

In my opinion, some Panthers' fans just want a franchise QB so bad, that they've mentally lowered their expectations.

I'm not saying Baker can't be a franchise QB, but today's play is not what I'd consider fitting for a franchise-level QB in today's NFL. He simply has to do better. No cap!

Way too critical at this point. This was his first game in this system and he has only been here a few months. What you need for a franchise QB is a guy who make plays when the game is on the line. He has heart and fire and that is something you have or you don't. Like Cam and Jake you can't teach it. The offense is going to get better but Baker is a competitor and that is what we need.

[L-TownCat]

Just now, top dawg said:

Baker's interception was definitely a bad one. He is not without blame.

Baker's going to have to play much better than he did.today before I proclaim him as our future. I didn't see anything different than I've always seen from Baker. His consistency is lacking and his decision making is still suspect until it isn't. 

In my opinion, some Panthers' fans just want a franchise QN so bad, that they've mentally lowered their expectations.

I'm not saying Baker can't be a franchise QB, but today's play is not what I'd consider fitting for a franchise-level QB in today's NFL. He simply has to do better. No cap!

Fair, that pick was bad.  But I can accept an oopsie-daisy over bad play.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I would not call Baker a franchise QB.  But he is certainly the best we could have done this season, all things considered.

[Knaakedup]

Maybe if the coach wouldn’t have played musical chairs with the OL and given 75% of the snaps to PJ and Sam during the preseason we would’ve come out looking like we did in the second half in the first half. 

I like Baker. But I want this staff replaced badly.

[ForJimmy]

31 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

Brown’s knew Baker’s weaknesses, season will get better. Would have more faith if Rhule wasn’t our coach though 

Yeah his weaknesses were his HC, pass protection, and run defense. 

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Way too critical at this point. This was his first game in this system and he has only been here a few months. What you need for a franchise QB is a guy who make plays when the game is on the line. He has heart and fire and that is something you have or you don't. Like Cam and Jake you can't teach it. The offense is going to get better but Baker is a competitor and that is what we need.

It's nothing I didn't say before he was signed. Furthermore, I don't think it's too critical. Mayfield has a body of work that didn't begin today. Heart and fire is only going to take you so far. Franchise QBs have that and then some.