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Finding a QB is hard

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poundaway Grand Master

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There's something to be said for giving a QB time to settle into the O and get in sync with the receivers.  Josh Allen wasn't very good his first year out.

We've seen Teddy's best performance and Sam's and Bakers worst.

Would Teddy had played better with another year in the O?  Maybe.

Would Sam had been better with the new OL?  Maybe. 

Would Baker improve as McAdoo figures it out and he gets in sync with the WR's?  Maybe.

Its PJ's show now until he lets it go. 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

One other thing I'd throw in on this topic...

Don't always be looking for "the next" whomever.

I know a lot of Panther fans love the idea of finding the next Cam Newton, but you also have to realize that player may not be out there in the current draft pool. And even if they are, would they be compatible with the kind of scheme our new head coach wants to run?

Plus, just frankly, when you're looking for a clone of someone you liked in the past, You are by definition limiting your choices and may end up missing someone who could be just as good even if they're not the same style.

Just stick to trying to find someone who can win in the NFL, whatever style of player they might be.

Maybe some people are saying that literally, but when I say it (and I assume when others say it) they are actually saying “franchise QB with elite traits.”

 

Cam was huge, fast, had a cannon, looked dominant in the SEC.

 

So people are questioning if that kind of guy is in this upcoming draft, in whatever form of play style the player might have. 

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Since 2005, it is very rare that you find a franchise QB with 1 of the top 5 picks.

2005 - Alex Smith Pick #1

2006 - Vince Young #3

2007 - Jamarcus Russell #1

2008 - Matt Ryan #3

2009 - Matt Stafford #1, Mark Sanchez #5

2010 - Sam Bradford #1

2011 - Cam Newton #1

2012 - Andrew Luck #1, RGIII #2

2014 - Blake Bortles #3

2015 - Jameis Winston #1, Marcus Mariota #2

2016 - Jared Goff #1, Carson Wentz #2

2017 - Mitch Trubinsky #2

2018 - Baker Mayfield #1, Sam Darnold #3

2019 - Kyler Murray #1

2020 - Joe Burrow #1, Tua Tugovailoa #3

2021 - Trevor Lawrence #1, Zack Wilson #2, Trey Lance #3

 

If we go by analytics then you don’t pick a QB in the top 5 picks. Lesson is don’t tank for a QB.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

One other thing I'd throw in on this topic...

Don't always be looking for "the next" whomever.

I know a lot of Panther fans love the idea of finding the next Cam Newton, but you also have to realize that player may not be out there in the current draft pool. And even if they are, would they be compatible with the kind of scheme our new head coach wants to run?

Plus, just frankly, when you're looking for a clone of someone you liked in the past, You are by definition limiting your choices and may end up missing someone who could be just as good even if they're not the same style.

Just stick to trying to find someone who can win in the NFL, whatever style of player they might be.

PJ "ALLIDOISWIN" WALKER 

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4 minutes ago, Swirly said:

Since 2005, it is very rare that you find a franchise QB with 1 of the top 5 picks.

2005 - Alex Smith Pick #1

2006 - Vince Young #3

2007 - Jamarcus Russell #1

2008 - Matt Ryan #3

2009 - Matt Stafford #1, Mark Sanchez #5

2010 - Sam Bradford #1

2011 - Cam Newton #1

2012 - Andrew Luck #1, RGIII #2

2014 - Blake Bortles #3

2015 - Jameis Winston #1, Marcus Mariota #2

2016 - Jared Goff #1, Carson Wentz #2

2017 - Mitch Trubinsky #2

2018 - Baker Mayfield #1, Sam Darnold #3

2019 - Kyler Murray #1

2020 - Joe Burrow #1, Tua Tugovailoa #3

2021 - Trevor Lawrence #1, Zack Wilson #2, Trey Lance #3

 

If we go by analytics then you don’t pick a QB in the top 5 picks. Lesson is don’t tank for a QB.

That list doesn't help your argument

Trevor, Zack, Burrow, Cam, Luck, Stafford, Ryan, Smith are all franchise guys

Kyler, Tua probably are

Goff solid QB

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We're going to win the division with 6 games, get blown out in the playoffs, and get right back to the quarterback purgatory loop.

If we do, I think Tepper will keep Wilks as the head coach, but really as just a foil for next year.

We're in the cycle.

  • Lose, but not quite enough.
  • Pick top 10.
  • Draft anything but a quarterback, until your hand is forced.
  • Lose, but not quite enough.

We're the new Jets.

 

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10 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

That list doesn't help your argument

Trevor, Zack, Burrow, Cam, Luck, Stafford, Ryan, Smith are all franchise guys

Kyler, Tua probably are

Goff solid QB

 A franchise player is one of the best players on the team that you can build around. Most of those QB's aren't. I'm not looking for a solid player in the top 5 picks. I want someone that other teams fear.

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21 minutes ago, Swirly said:

Since 2005, it is very rare that you find a franchise QB with 1 of the top 5 picks.

2005 - Alex Smith Pick #1

2006 - Vince Young #3

2007 - Jamarcus Russell #1

2008 - Matt Ryan #3

2009 - Matt Stafford #1, Mark Sanchez #5

2010 - Sam Bradford #1

2011 - Cam Newton #1

2012 - Andrew Luck #1, RGIII #2

2014 - Blake Bortles #3

2015 - Jameis Winston #1, Marcus Mariota #2

2016 - Jared Goff #1, Carson Wentz #2

2017 - Mitch Trubinsky #2

2018 - Baker Mayfield #1, Sam Darnold #3

2019 - Kyler Murray #1

2020 - Joe Burrow #1, Tua Tugovailoa #3

2021 - Trevor Lawrence #1, Zack Wilson #2, Trey Lance #3

 

If we go by analytics then you don’t pick a QB in the top 5 picks. Lesson is don’t tank for a QB.

All this tells us is that teams that are picking in the top 5 have missed the boat in either selecting their QB or developing them. You could do this same exercise for just about every other position and find similar results. 

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