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Rams Offering Two (Future) Firsts for Burns

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1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

There is more proof that they will succeed than fail next year. They will have the most continuity of any team in the NFL with their coaching staff and roster. This year they are ridden with the injury bug and dealing with the loss of Miller.

3-4 this year is competitive... have you looked at the standings? They are right in the middle of the pack competing for a playoff spot. Burns would be a strong contributor to helping them climb.

Which is why they are making the offer, but you can’t kick the can down the road forever. This sets us up to be the team that cashes in when their checks inevitably bounce, and they WILL eventually. This is the only time this type of deal is available. If there was no hope they wouldn’t offer the picks, but there is WAY more risk on the Rams part than there was a season or two ago when they started down this road, and their window will slam shut for years when it closes. Also, the injury bug tends to visit older teams.

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47 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Carolina claiming Burns is a top 10 pass rusher?

2018 - 40th in sacks

2019- 14th in sacks

2021 - 20th in sacks

2022- 17th in sacks 

I'm not good at math.  But that doesn't seem to add up.   And he is pretty much exclusively a pass rusher.   One that has never had double digits.  2 firsts is a steal for a pretty good pass rusher that gets run on. 

Pure pass rushers aren't that hard to find.   Complete DEs are hard to find.  Which is what the Rams are willing to pay the price of.  Which isn't Burns. 

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1 minute ago, WUnderhill said:

Which is why they are making the offer, but you can’t kick the can down the road forever. This sets us up to be the team that cashes in when their checks inevitably bounce, and they WILL eventually. This is the only time this type of deal is available. If there was no hope they wouldn’t offer the picks, but there is WAY more risk on the Rams part than there was a season or two ago when they started down this road, and their window will slam shut for years when it closes. Also, the injury bug tends to visit older teams.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/2023/

 

Looks like they are going to have to figure some poo out in regards to the cap. 

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Which is why they are making the offer, but you can’t kick the can down the road forever. This sets us up to be the team that cashes in when their checks inevitably bounce, and they WILL eventually. This is the only time this type of deal is available. If there was no hope they wouldn’t offer the picks, but there is WAY more risk on the Rams part than there was a season or two ago when they started down this road, and their window will slam shut for years when it closes. Also, the injury bug tends to visit older teams.

1. They are living in a win now mode.. which means the next 2 years.. therefore those picks are impacted by how they perform the next two years. They have everything they need to get back to the super bowl once healthy. If these picks were 2025 and 2026 like how they do in the NBA, then you can take what you saying as a strategy.

 

2. The injury bug hits any team at any point... there is no tendencies or patterns to injuries in the NFL. Baltimore, SF, Detroit, and Cleveland are the most injured teams in the NFL right now... they are not "old" teams. Matter of fact, its the opposite. they have average ages of 25, 25.1, 26.3, and 26.4

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If the Rams are giving us a first in '24 and '25, the 2nd rounder this year has to be included for me to do it. If the Rams want him, they need to come to us. Mid-round R1 picks two and three years from now for a young, athletic, and dynamic DE/OLB isn't the answer. 

 

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Carolina claiming Burns is a top 10 pass rusher?

2018 - 40th in sacks

2019- 14th in sacks

2021 - 20th in sacks

2022- 17th in sacks 

I'm not good at math.  But that doesn't seem to add up.   And he is pretty much exclusively a pass rusher.   One that has never had double digits.  2 firsts is a steal for a pretty good pass rusher that gets run on. 

Pure pass rushers aren't that hard to find.   Complete DEs are hard to find.  Which is what the Rams are willing to pay the price of.  Which isn't Burns. 

It cumulative over the past 3 years. Looks like he comes in at 9 looking at it that way.  Staying healthy looks to be a big part of it.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sack-last-3-seasons#:~:text=Since 2020%2C T.J.,most sacks%2C with 38.5 sacks.

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2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

1. They are living in a win now mode.. which means the next 2 years.. therefore those picks are impacted by how they perform the next two years. They have everything they need to get back to the super bowl once healthy. If these picks were 2025 and 2026 like how they do in the NBA, then you can take what you saying as a strategy.

 

2. The injury bug hits any team at any point... there is no tendencies or patterns to injuries in the NFL. Baltimore, SF, Detroit, and Cleveland are the most injured teams in the NFL right now... they are not "old" teams. Matter of fact, its the opposite. they have average ages of 25, 25.1, 26.3, and 26.4

Their best defensive player is 31.  The second best is 29

Their best wr is 29, their franchise qb is 35 and is dealing with chronic injuries.

 

You take the deal and risk the gamble. 

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1 hour ago, emcannon said:

Add on one of their 6th rounders in next year's draft to the future 1's and get it done. 

No.

One or both of their second rounders for this year and next year or this year's third plus one of their two second rounders and then we start talking.

If that sounds excessive, take a moment and look back at Les Snead's philosophy toward draft picks.

(it starts with an F)

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/cap/2023/

 

Looks like they are going to have to figure some poo out in regards to the cap. 

That is an old and expensive roster. Even a guy like Jalen Ramsey who is still in his prime and I don’t include in the “old” category currently will be 30 in a couple years. For comparison, Darrelle Revis was pretty much done after 30. Aaron Donald is already 31. The writing is on the wall, that team will be full of cast offs and overpaid free agents in a couple years because they have no draft picks. That 2025 draft pick looks juicy, and the ‘24 has a very decent chance of being a top 15 draft pick.

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