Rams Offering Two (Future) Firsts for Burns

[TheMostInterestingMan]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not "gaining" anything. The value of the pick is devalued because the return is not immediate and there's the uncertainty of where the pick will fall within the round. That doesn't mean that it gains real value like a bond maturing.

Gotta disagree here. He does have a valid point. If it’s perceived that a 1st in 2025 is only worth a 3rd now, it does gain perceived value with each passing month. 

[NorthTryon]

3 hours ago, pantherj said:

1.) You were complaining.

2.) I'll be hype whenever I feel like it.

3.) I have already made my case for trading Burns. We disagree.

4.) The odds are against us trading Burns because we already rejected the Rams first offer. That doesn't make you some sort of football guru if the Rams don't come up with a better offer. Good lord dude.

 You were so mad and then took time to edit your post. Hmmm, looks like someone was making all that noise and all those posts for nothing. Hey, at least the high post count helps with street cred huh. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

Gotta disagree here. He does have a valid point. If it’s perceived that a 1st in 2025 is only worth a 3rd now, it does gain perceived value with each passing month. 

Does perception matter? I argue no. 

Then again, I'm of the firm opinion that the entire accounting industry is basically just a shell game of book cooking anyway so there's that too.

[pantherj]

2 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

 You were so mad and then took time to edit your post. Hmmm, looks like someone was making all that noise and all those posts for nothing. Hey, at least the high post count helps with street cred huh. 

I don't know if this is going to come off mean or not, but I literally have no idea what you are even trying to say here. Good luck on the site.

[Gerry Green]

Half the Huddle undervalues a player for whom a team was willing to give up 2 1st. You can't make this crap up.

 

Now, all you posters who feel I need a poo. Here's your chance.

 

 

[TheCasillas]

8 minutes ago, Hugor Hill said:

I guess last year doesn't count.

You mean the game against the saints that he didn’t start due to injury and left early bc he re-aggravated it? 
 

if I’m not allowed to use that logic, then how about the fact that burns played 40% of our total snaps his rookie year and only started 5 games. Or that burns missed a game in 2020 due to injury?

Julius peppers started and played every game for his four years and yet burns is on pace to meet or surpass what pep did his first four years….

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by TheCasillas

[Mr. Scot]

 

[tiger7_88]

6 hours ago, CRA said:

I mean you take that deal.  You say goodbye to Burns. 

is Burns talented? Yes.  But to date he has been an incomplete DE.  A pass rush specialist that has never hit double digit sacks. 

Especially when your win horizon is down the road and have to draft a QB to build up. 

Absolutely 100% correct.  The only possible reason to turn down an offer like that is if you already have a coach lined up and that coach runs a 3-4 on defense.  If that isn't the case (and its not), you make the damn deal (if its true).

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If you want to be maybe the best GM ever, you would start your career (likely on a rebuilding team) by taking your 1st round pick and then trading rounds 2-7 to a team (multiple) in a similar draft slot for their round 1-6 picks next year. Heck, I’d probably never make a day 3 pick. Every year you’d have 2 first round picks and in a few years all 7 picks would be day 1 and 2 picks. You’d have more talent than you knew what to do with.

I mean if all GMs feel this way we should be able to trade every 2nd and 3rd rounder we have for a next year’s 1st and 2nd and just have a rough first draft (our Marty was here draft). That’s how all GM’s value them so trading should be a snap.

Used to work in Madden until they fixed that bug.

[TheMostInterestingMan]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Does perception matter? I argue no. 

Then again, I'm of the firm opinion that the entire accounting industry is basically just a shell game of book cooking anyway so there's that too.

I agree with you there haha. But in this context it seems to me that perception does matter. Because the value of a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. But if it’s perceived by GMs to only be worth a 3rd this year, then they are devaluing the future 1st. But when 2025 rolls around, they will value you at as a 1st. 
 

Does this make much sense? Not really. I understand they want to keep their jobs and this having more ammo in current drafts is valuable. But big picture a 1st rounder is always significantly more valuable than a 3rd. So their perception in allocating artificial values to future picks means everything.

[WUnderhill]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

Absolutely 100% correct.  The only possible reason to turn down an offer like that is if you already have a coach lined up and that coach runs a 3-4 on defense.  If that isn't the case (and its not), you make the damn deal (if its true).

I think the deal offered must have included the Panthers sending some picks back (based on precedent) which would have made it a little less than netting two full firsts. If they turned down two firsts no strings attached, it’s a shame.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I agree with you there haha. But in this context it seems to me that perception does matter. Because the value of a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. But if it’s perceived by GMs to only be worth a 3rd this year, then they are devaluing the future 1st. But when 2025 rolls around, they will value you at as a 1st. 
 

Does this make much sense? Not really. I understand they want to keep their jobs and this having more ammo in current drafts is valuable. But big picture a 1st rounder is always significantly more valuable than a 3rd. So their perception in allocating artificial values to future picks means everything.

It's kinda like the draft pick value chart though. It's just a general guideline. It doesn't necessarily mean you can trade guys worth a 3rd rounder for a 1st rounder two years down the road.

Basically just standard accounting slights of hand.

[TheSpecialJuan]

54 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

Scott Fitterer and the Rams org are both smarter than you, go yell at a cloud

brutal 

[Peppers90 NC]

31 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Coded racism.

i figured he rather say that than dumb redneck. special people out there think they are virtuous.