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Quinten Johnston in the 1st, then Max Duggan in the 2nd.


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4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Maybe not, but it would be odd to allow him to trade away CMC and turn down 1st round picks for Burns if he wasn't part of the long term plan IMO.  

I look at it as opposite with burns.  If he was in the long term plans then he would probably be more open to trading for future picks.  As it stands now I doubt he knows his future

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1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Johnston is a fine player but honestly we already have someone very similar in TMJ.  We gotta go QB in the first…we can’t keep kicking the can there

That’s how I see it. Either trade up (or have a high pick) for Young or Stroud, or sit back and draft on upside with Levis or Richardson.

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23 hours ago, Panfan35 said:

I am good not even drafting a qb at this point we got PJ and Matt we good for another year or two and see how it pans out I don’t think any prospects is better than pj right now. Get the best WR and DE or LB or DT 

I'm with you on this. Drafting a QB in the first just for the sake of drafting a QB in the first doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No one I've watched (honestly havent watched them all) really jumps out as "yeah, that's the guy." PJ is better than I thought and who the Hell knows what Corral can do? He wasn't exactly coached up this season. Go with best available and see what happens.

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11 minutes ago, Mike in Raleigh said:

I'm with you on this. Drafting a QB in the first just for the sake of drafting a QB in the first doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No one I've watched (honestly havent watched them all) really jumps out as "yeah, that's the guy." PJ is better than I thought and who the Hell knows what Corral can do? He wasn't exactly coached up this season. Go with best available and see what happens.

There comes a time to put all the chips in for a QB…if we like the right guy we have to treat this like no cost is too much.  I didn’t think Deshaun Watson was the way to go but Tepper was close to all in there.  The draft isn’t any different.  
 

Multiple firsts, players whatever…you have to go get that player

My problem would be this team has not been good at finding that QB.  Atrocious actually.  Very worried that they don’t know how to evaluate QBs.  

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27 minutes ago, Shocker said:

There comes a time to put all the chips in for a QB…if we like the right guy we have to treat this like no cost is too much.  I didn’t think Deshaun Watson was the way to go but Tepper was close to all in there.  The draft isn’t any different.  
 

Multiple firsts, players whatever…you have to go get that player

My problem would be this team has not been good at finding that QB.  Atrocious actually.  Very worried that they don’t know how to evaluate QBs.  

Who is that player though? I haven't seen anyone worth betting the farm over. No one I've seen seems to have the it factor. Maybe they'll be good, who knows? I haven't really been particularly impressed 

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Why in the name of all that's holy am I looking at yet another thread about drafting a WR in the first when WR at present looks like a strength on this team (DJ solid, TMJ showing obvious potential now the Fhule is gone) when QB is the desperate need and the key weakness of our defense is like of pass rush outside of Burns?

Stop drooling over frisbee catching dogs because you're too focused on fantasy football and look at what's needed to actually win a SB. WR talent is abundant around the league and little evidence exists that elite WR talent matters to playoff success vs the two positions I named.

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12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Why in the name of all that's holy am I looking at yet another thread about drafting a WR in the first when WR at present looks like a strength on this team (DJ solid, TMJ showing obvious potential now the Fhule is gone) when QB is the desperate need and the key weakness of our defense is like of pass rush outside of Burns?

Stop drooling over frisbee catching dogs because you're too focused on fantasy football and look at what's needed to actually win a SB. WR talent is abundant around the league and little evidence exists that elite WR talent matters to playoff success vs the two positions I named.

You’re living in the early 2010s. See SB last season, the 2 most arguably important players on those teams: Kupp and Chase. Not to mention virtually every top team has elite WR groups. MIA is finally on the upswing with Waddle and Hill leading the way. Minny would simply not be 6-1 without Jefferson. Allen has Diggs and Davis. And umm.. the undefeated Eagles have AJ and Smith rolling and are a big reason Hurts has been able to step it up.

That doesn’t mean we go WR rd 1 but your narrative doesn’t hold water. Elite WRs are what modern offenses are focusing on. 

And I’m sorry but it’s just not a strength for us. TMJ has shown us a nice game. Let’s see what happens.

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