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Dan Orlovsky believes Maye and Williams are better than anyone this class

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It’s just the same cycle over and over. You don’t know where you are picking two drafts from now. If a QB is on the board and you feel good about him, you go get him. You don’t keep waiting one more year and one more year. Every now and again those can’t miss guys decide to go back for a senior season and then you are waiting another year. And by then there’s tons of roster turnover and your team is worse off for it. 

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I will say that if Stroud and Young are gone when we pick, but Anderson, Jalen Carter, or Myles Murphy is there, you go with that then do what it takes to grab your next favorite QB.

But you do what you can to get a QB. You don't leave the draft without spending a lot of resources to pick up the best QB you can.

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38 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Young is too little much like the Op said. It's the NFL. That's scary. There are 6'6" 320 lb men flying around. Cam was 6'5" 250ish at times.

I watched Brees take hits and Russell Wilson take  big hits.

 

and both of those guys missed less time to injury in this league than Big Cam, Luck, and Wentz.

If you can take a hit, you can take hit.  And Bryce like Wilson using his feet well to maneuver around 

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Don't make this more complicated than it has to be. This isn't last year's draft class where there's not a draftable 1st round QB. There's 4 QB's that should be 1st round picks this year. Find the one you think can develop into a franchise QB and let's start to build a winner. 

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6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I will say that if Stroud and Young are gone when we pick, but Anderson, Jalen Carter, or Myles Murphy us there, you go with that then do what it takes to grab your next favorite QB.

But you do what you can to get a QB. You don't leave the draft without spending a lot of resources to pick up the best QB you can.

Yeah it's hypothetical/situational, but for the relevant past few drafts-

2018-Passed on Lamar for DJ, the narrative was Cam was still healthy, expected to stay the guy but the shoulder and foot injuries messed all that up. 

2019-There wasn't a guy, took Brian Burns

2020-Missed out on Herbert, didn't take a chance on Hurts in the 2nd

2021-Passed on Fields because Sam was our "rookie QB"-ultimately the dumbest decision and quite likely because they had to pretend like they knew what they were doing. I at the time would have forgiven that stupid trade if they had just taken the QB when they had the chance, could have saved that 5th year option money as well

2022-There wasn't a guy and couldn't pass up Ickey 

 

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2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

he is going to fire fitt

Fitt made some decent FA moves but yeah. It was too murky behind the scenes with Rhule and all the bad trades, bad Robbie extension, Donte contract wasn't great seeing what Rasul and Gilmore signed for, etc..He might stay around if next year is deemed a cleaning the slate kinda year. 2024 is when the cap and draft is wide open for a new HC and GM

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57 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I will say that if Stroud and Young are gone when we pick, but Anderson, Jalen Carter, or Myles Murphy us there, you go with that then do what it takes to grab your next favorite QB.

But you do what you can to get a QB. You don't leave the draft without spending a lot of resources to pick up the best QB you can.

I'm not against drafting Myles Murphy and bringing in a Levis or Young if we can package picks and move up. This is a value draft like last one.

 

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