MNF: Bills vs. Bengals *game suspended* - prayers for Damar Hamlin

[Varking]

12 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Hopefully the first responders were able to minimize as much damage as possible by administering CPR fairly quickly.

I also think it’s important that if you are able, take the time to become CPR certified. It’s not a difficult process and can save lives. You pray you never need to administer it but if you ever have to, you are glad you learned how to.

I’m CPR certified and in my five years here at the company I’m at now I’ve been asked to use it one time. If I wasn’t here the person who was on the ground that day would have been dead. Now the company pays for all of us to be CPR certified just in case. It’s a hope you never have to use type of thing but it’s totally worth it to get trained. 

[MillionDollarCam]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

I’m CPR certified and in my five years here at the company I’m at now I’ve been asked to use it one time. If I wasn’t here the person who was on the ground that day would have been dead. Now the company pays for all of us to be CPR certified just in case. It’s a hope you never have to use type of thing but it’s totally worth it to get trained. 

100%, I had to get it when I was coaching HS, luckily I’ve never had to use it but I have been around when it needed to be administered (like yours, it was at a work setting).

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

I’m CPR certified and in my five years here at the company I’m at now I’ve been asked to use it one time. If I wasn’t here the person who was on the ground that day would have been dead. Now the company pays for all of us to be CPR certified just in case. It’s a hope you never have to use type of thing but it’s totally worth it to get trained. 

CPR is scary. Good buddy of mine was an EMT for a few years. He was at a music festival and saw a girl collapse while waiting in line for the bathrooms. He performed CPR and was able to resuscitate her. Obviously he cracked her breastbone and broke a couple ribs. Her family, moreso the family’s insurance company, sued him. Luckily it got thrown out in court but it stressed him out to the point where he’s hesitant to even help people anymore. 

[ForJimmy]

38 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

I’m wondering if the protection was actually actually a contributing factor here. He was moving pretty fast after medical got to him which means his heart was restarted, but since they continued CPR I’m guessing his lung weren’t functioning properly. Same risk of brain oxygen deprivation applies. I’m wondering if the should pad unit exasperated the hit/preserved the hit position on his chest causing even more internal pressure that may have collapsed one or both lungs. I am no medical professional so this is purely speculation.

Interesting all that is waaay out of my knowledge for medical/protection equipment. I hope he can pull through and the doctors can find what caused it so it can hopefully be prevented in the future.

[Harbingers]

3 minutes ago, hepcat said:

CPR is scary. Good buddy of mine was an EMT for a few years. He was at a music festival and saw a girl collapse while waiting in line for the bathrooms. He performed CPR and was able to resuscitate her. Obviously he cracked her breastbone and broke a couple ribs. Her family, moreso the family’s insurance company, sued him. Luckily it got thrown out in court but it stressed him out to the point where he’s hesitant to even help people anymore. 

There’s a few doctors on YouTube I’ll watch occasionally. It appears the consensus in that medical community is on adults, if you aren’t breaking ribs while doing chest compressions you aren’t doing them right. 

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

CPR is scary. Good buddy of mine was an EMT for a few years. He was at a music festival and saw a girl collapse while waiting in line for the bathrooms. He performed CPR and was able to resuscitate her. Obviously he cracked her breastbone and broke a couple ribs. Her family, moreso the family’s insurance company, sued him. Luckily it got thrown out in court but it stressed him out to the point where he’s hesitant to even help people anymore. 

That’s the big fear of anyone doing cpr and I’ve heard horror stories about stuff like this. Glad she lived AND it got thrown out in court. 

[1of10Charnatives]

Didn't see any of this til this morning (Don't make it a habit of watching MNF games as I tend to just nod off around 3rd quarter), but my initial reactions are just like most of yours were except I didn't have to go through the confusion and anxiety obvious in this thread last night.

The only thing I want to add to everything said here is to tip my hat to both head coaches who demonstrated leadership, particularly Bengals coach Zac Taylor, who it sounds like did exactly what he should have done and stepped up to say to McD some form of "I don't expect you to ask your guys to play after this."

To me in a situation like this the opposing head coach seems like the first obvious candidate to step foward and say "There are big concerns than this game right now".  Kudos to coach Taylor for doing so and kudos to McDermott for standing firm with him and having his priorities in order.

I'm not going to get into throwing shade at the league for their response. Some here have said it's should have been a simple, quick decision, others have said it's complicated. I can see some truth in both points of view, and will say only that the league's past actions have not earned it much benefit of the doubt in this situation.

[hepcat]

7 minutes ago, Varking said:

That’s the big fear of anyone doing cpr and I’ve heard horror stories about stuff like this. Glad she lived AND it got thrown out in court. 

Most states have a Good Samaritan Law that you can't be sued for performing CPR and that applied in this situation. However it took months for the court to actually throw it out and the girl's health insurance company was harassing him to pay a settlement. It was crazy. People are so sick and twisted in this world sometimes. 

[Cullenator]

 

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, Cullenator said:

 

I think they should discuss with the head coaches of the teams and the organizations and come to a mutual decision. If the players want to play it after what happened, go for it. If they don't, call the game a tie and move onto next week. 

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Most states have a Good Samaritan Law that you can't be sued for performing CPR and that applied in this situation. However it took months for the court to actually throw it out and the girl's health insurance company was harassing him to pay a settlement. It was crazy. People are so sick and twisted in this world sometimes. 

I hope everyone understands that when there is pending legal action, it's perfectly legal to say to a party that is harrassing you to pay a settlement some form of "I expect this matter to be resolved in the appropriate legal venue and be advised I will treat any further attempted contact by you as harrassment and will seek appropriate legal remedy in court."

After that, they tend to leave you alone, because as long as you document, it's open and shut harrassment. The reason it doesn't happen more often is because most people don't realize they can do this.

[glenwo2]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

I think they should discuss with the head coaches of the teams and the organizations and come to a mutual decision. If the players want to play it after what happened, go for it. If they don't, call the game a tie and move onto next week. 

I think that's the best way to go about it.

2 days is not enough time to digest what happened. 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by glenwo2

[kungfoodude]

52 minutes ago, Cullenator said:

I expect we will see some changes in policy come out of last night.  Whether they are substantive or performative, only time will tell.

 

But I would very much hope this reminder of how fragile our existence is will stick with this community and tone down some of the poo that get thrown at these players.  All the "he is trash", "Ill trade him for a ham sandwich", "dude is garbage", etc.  These guys are people with families and loved ones and we (myself included) sometimes forget that when we plop down in out Lazy-boys with a beer and a brat to watch on Sundays.

The internet/social media has made it a lot more common for players to get verbally abused IRL. Unfortunately we live in a society where they(the players) aren't allowed to just randomly select one of the abusive twats and make an example out of them. That would stop a lot of that BS.

[cookinbrak]

3 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I think they should discuss with the head coaches of the teams and the organizations and come to a mutual decision. If the players want to play it after what happened, go for it. If they don't, call the game a tie and move onto next week. 

I'm sure KC would love that.