Tepper clearly wants to change the Panthers identity

[electro's horse]

lmao posting your own twitter

[Khaki Lackey]

It's not dumb on Tepper's part. The math is simple. I've been saying it for years. Conservative, play not to lose, defensive minded coaches gets you .500.

John Fox career win percentage = .520

Ron Rivera = .521

That's a two decade sample size right there. Defensive coaches that seem to not be dead set on conservative offenses (Bellichick/McDermott) are the special outliers that can win. 

[PantherKyle]

And I am here for it. Love it. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

"It's logical. Just need to pick the right one."

I do not have the upmost confidence in the decision making of this brain trust. Hoping for the best.

If we get Steichen or Johnson I will feel a little bit better about Tepper. But just a little. 

[Saca312]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

lmao posting your own twitter

lol there's quite a distinct difference between myself and Billy, @elliswould easily verify that, and I have my own twitter I don't really post as much on anymore.

but good to see you again fitz!

Edited January 10, 2023 by Saca312

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Scrolling through twitter, I took note of one particular statement that really sums up the coaching search so far:

Seems David Tepper is in line with the fans with wanting an identity change. With the amount of offensive minded candidates they are interviewing, looks like the Panthers are seeking to revamp their image and come up with a new identity.

Not one of ground and pound and pray the defense holds up enough, but one where the offense is their own weapon to compete in a league where Mahomes, Burrow and Allen are lighting it up through the air.

A change in philosophy, and that's the direction Tepper clearly wants the Panthers to go and one I hope they do as well.

In particular, like what Billy wants, I'd love to see Ben Johnson coming in. He elevated the Lions offense beyond their talent to compete at a high level despite their deficiencies. Would be beautiful to see similar results in Carolina, and of course beautiful to upgrade from Al Holcomb's straighrforward defense as well.

A change in identity. Hope this rings true when the next HC is announced.

You mean like Sean Payton who went 8-8 or so for several years with Brees waiting for a defense. Truth is even primarily passing teams pass the ball 40% of the time or more if they can. And offense gets you in the playoffs but defense wins championships. 

[methodtoll]

18 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Scrolling through twitter, I took note of one particular statement that really sums up the coaching search so far:

Seems David Tepper is in line with the fans with wanting an identity change. With the amount of offensive minded candidates they are interviewing, looks like the Panthers are seeking to revamp their image and come up with a new identity.

Not one of ground and pound and pray the defense holds up enough, but one where the offense is their own weapon to compete in a league where Mahomes, Burrow and Allen are lighting it up through the air.

A change in philosophy, and that's the direction Tepper clearly wants the Panthers to go and one I hope they do as well.

In particular, like what Billy wants, I'd love to see Ben Johnson coming in. He elevated the Lions offense beyond their talent to compete at a high level despite their deficiencies. Would be beautiful to see similar results in Carolina, and of course beautiful to upgrade from Al Holcomb's straighrforward defense as well.

A change in identity. Hope this rings true when the next HC is announced.

I still think they will go left field on this hire and get someone outside the box... Kafka fits that mold. I do think to keep an eye out for Brian Callahan for the Bengals too 

[panthers55]

If we pick someone with no head coach experience expect to be mediocre again. The winning percentage for new first time head coaches is around  42% their first year.

[Saca312]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You mean like Sean Payton who went 8-8 or so for several years with Brees waiting for a defense. Truth is even primarily passing teams pass the ball 40% of the time or more if they can. And offense gets you in the playoffs but defense wins championships. 

Definitely agree it's hard to neglect defense, but you need a complimentary offense that isn't one dimensional.

Additionally, with Holcomb at DC, it was kind of jarring seeing the defense deflate as the season went on. His concepts weren't good, and while I was on the Wilks train a while ago, seeing how the season progressed I do think there was deficiency even with a defensive minded coach on that side.

Simple defensive concepts that got picked on. Saints exposed the simplicity of our offensive schemes and ensured no one was open in the passing game.

Some spark needs to come or this team won't exceed mediocrity.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Saca312

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

If we pick someone with no head coach experience expect to be mediocre again. The winning percentage for new first time head coaches is around  42% their first year.

Well, given the list of candidates, I'd say there's a pretty good chance that's what happens.

[Bear Hands]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

If we pick someone with no head coach experience expect to be mediocre again. The winning percentage for new first time head coaches is around  42% their first year.

Yeah gotta keep reasonable expectations no matter the hire.  This past season was a refreshing change, can be credited to some walking into pretty good situations.  Though I do give each a ton of credit.  Daboll especially. 

O'Connell 13-4

Daboll 10-7

McDaniel 9-8

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Bear Hands

[mcsmoak]

Not to mention this fanbase needs to be rejuvenated.  Can you imagine starting next year off with the type of game we just played versus the Saints?   I mean a win is a win in that scenario for guys like us, but the casual fan wants to watch an exciting offense put up 35 a game, not 10

[panthers55]

Just now, Saca312 said:

Definitely agree it's hard to neglect defense, but you need a complimentary offense that isn't one dimensional.

Additionally, with Holcomb at DC, it was kind of jarring seeing the defense deflate as the season went on. His concepts weren't good, and while I was on the Wilks train a while ago, seeing how the season progressed I do think there was deficiency even with a defensive minded coach on that side.

I am not a big fan of zone and like more man coverage and I think the defense wasn't as aggressive as the season wore on and I don't know how much injuries played into it. 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, panthers55 said:

I am not a big fan of zone and like more man coverage and I think the defense wasn't as aggressive as the season wore on and I don't know how much injuries played into it. 

Probably a lot. Notice the point totals rose once Jackson hurt his achilles and Horn took his annual vacation days.