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Trey Lance?

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9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I wouldn't say the BiG 12 is elite competition, but Brock Purdy is doing well.  Why?  He played and started 47 games in college ( only game he didn't play was the opener his freshman year).  His college stats weren't eye popping by any means, good completion %, but overall average.  When he got to the NFL, the game wasn't too big for him.

 

I personally think there’s a big gap between playing where Purdy was and where Lance was. But on top of that, no game time passes basically is my issue with Lance. He needs to reps. Even if he came here he’d be competing for them. So he’d still be behind. 

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2 minutes ago, Varking said:

I personally think there’s a big gap between playing where Purdy was and where Lance was. But on top of that, no game time passes basically is my issue with Lance. He needs to reps. Even if he came here he’d be competing for them. So he’d still be behind. 

Yet, Lance is already ahead of where AR-15 is at this point and people are clamoring for the more inexperienced version of the two?  Lance has NFL experience now and while probably a year behind where he needs to be in development, that loss in production is on the 49ers who obviously wanted him to start this year and was until the injury. 

Point being, if Lance is traded (anywhere) and shows significant progress the next two seasons, the team that gets him can probably re-sign him to a very reasonable second contract by QB standards.

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16 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yet, Lance is already ahead of where AR-15 is at this point and people are clamoring for the more inexperienced version of the two?  Lance has NFL experience now and while probably a year behind where he needs to be in development, that loss in production is on the 49ers who obviously wanted him to start this year and was until the injury. 

Point being, if Lance is traded (anywhere) and shows significant progress the next two seasons, the team that gets him can probably re-sign him to a very reasonable second contract by QB standards.

I’m not sure how far along Lance is in regards to AR. He’s in the NFL but he’s also been hurt and not getting reps. AR threw passes in high school, and in college and he’s started a full year at the highest level and against competition like Tennessee and Georgia and he played alongside much inferior talent with a first year head coach at the school running a new system. He’s at least playing against high level, live, folks in real games. Lance has basically not taken a full game of significant snaps in years. And Lance has looked meh while being bolstered by an uber talented team around him. Outstanding run game and real playmakers to catch pisses with DSam and GKit. 
 

I need to see AR on a pro team before I can judge how far behind or ahead of Lance or Love he is. 
 

Edit: This is also what we thought of Darnold. If he showed significant progress we can get a QB without breaking the bank and it didn’t work out.

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Okay, we are not going to agree on this.  You value college competition>>>>>>>reps.  I say reps>>>>>>than college competition.    Both lack the reps, but Lance has two years of NFL systems and at least SOME reps in the League.  To me that is more valuable than  simply putting on a uniform that happens to be a team in the SEC.  Richardson flashed, but looked far from great--yes, while playing in the SEC.

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2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Okay, we are not going to agree on this.  You value college competition>>>>>>>reps.  I say reps>>>>>>than college competition.    Both lack the reps, but Lance has two years of NFL systems and at least SOME reps in the League.  To me that is more valuable than  simply putting on a uniform that happens to be a team in the SEC.  Richardson flashed, but looked far from great--yes, while playing in the SEC.

I don’t think second and third team NFL reps are as valuable as first. And Lance has either split reps or not gotten first team reps. So it’s hard to see him as much further ahead. Richardson has at least been throwing. Lance hasn’t. That’s my issue with Lance. And I wasn’t high on him coming out of college to begin with. And I really disliked ZWilson. He’s gotten most first team reps and has sucked. He’s about as close to a bust as you can be from the first rounders drafted that year. I need to see more Lance before I make that call on him. 

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Lance hasn’t played in practically 3 Damn years. Look what a year and a half off did to Watson who was considered one of the better QB’s. Lance was raw as sh!t and playing no where near an SEC level when he was playing 4 seasons ago. 

Lance gained nothing this past season since his injury. Nothing. 

AR gained a lot more playing in the SEC than Lance did rehabbing. 

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1 hour ago, Mage said:

Trey Lance is terrible.

Going from NDSU to Kyle Shannahan is not just jumping from FCS to the NFL, but a much bigger leap. IF it was a day 3 pick(s) going back to SF, I'd take a shot on Lance. He was a number three overall that SF gave up A LOT for. 

Yes he was injured and didn't look the greatest in his limited time. I think the experience, film room and locker room that Lance was in can't be quantified. Someone will benefit from SF taking on the liability and growing pains. 

Lance also turned 22 last May....he was always a developmental QB that needed patience.

I bet Steichen/Kafka would love to have Lance in the fold here in Carolina.

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56 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Going from NDSU to Kyle Shannahan is not just jumping from FCS to the NFL, but a much bigger leap. IF it was a day 3 pick(s) going back to SF, I'd take a shot on Lance. He was a number three overall that SF gave up A LOT for. 

Yes he was injured and didn't look the greatest in his limited time. I think the experience, film room and locker room that Lance was in can't be quantified. Someone will benefit from SF taking on the liability and growing pains. 

Lance also turned 22 last May....he was always a developmental QB that needed patience.

I bet Steichen/Kafka would love to have Lance in the fold here in Carolina.

Bro, I thought Lance sucked as a prospect too. Has little to do with what he’s done in the NFL… although he has sucked so far too.

I’m not saying I’m against bringing him in for a 3rd or 4th round pick and see what happens. But my expectations would be extremely low. His accuracy is dreadful.

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1 hour ago, Mage said:

Bro, I thought Lance sucked as a prospect too. Has little to do with what he’s done in the NFL… although he has sucked so far too.

I’m not saying I’m against bringing him in for a 3rd or 4th round pick and see what happens. But my expectations would be extremely low. His accuracy is dreadful.

67% comp rate, 30 TD at NDSU with 1 Int is far from dreadful. In the NFL as a 21 & 22-year old youngster his stats are far from desirable, but as a 21 & 22 year old making a leap....I'm okay with it. It wasn't until year 3 that Josh Allen hit his stride. 

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If you are thinking of wasting draft picks for Lance or Love just resign Darnold.  He is way better than either of those bums.

BTW:  Trey Lance basically is Jordan Love.  They are very similar in stature and athletically.  

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