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3 hours ago, KatsAzz said:

I personally want someone other than Sean Payton as the Panthers new head coach.

There is no way I want to see them give up a true 1st rd pick for him.

However, if the Panthers did decide to go after Payton, I think the 49ers' 2nd and 3rd you suggested would be a fair value. 

Good take. In the past I’d have felt the same way. Now I’m just so sick of our seasons essentially being over by November with so little hope each year that I’d be excited about a proven guy like Payton or Harbaugh, both guys I have hated with a passion before. We need to get back to winning

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Trading high draft capital for a 60 year old coach who made his bones with a top 10 QB ever and really not anything else after that would be an emblematic error for a star f***er of an owner like Tepper.  Jon Gruden had a better case to make as a big splash retread than Payton does and we all know how that turned out

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So if Payton was only successful because of Brees ... and Belichick was only successful because of Brady ... what does that say about Ron Rivera? If you believe Cam was just as elite as the other two, then coach shouldn't barely even matter since most everyone says Rivera sucks. But if you believe Cam was a tier below the other two, that means Riverboat is a better coach than Bill and Sean lol.

So, which is it?

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4 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

So if Payton was only successful because of Brees ... and Belichick was only successful because of Brady ... what does that say about Ron Rivera? If you believe Cam was just as elite as the other two, then coach shouldn't barely even matter since most everyone says Rivera sucks. But if you believe Cam was a tier below the other two, that means Riverboat is a better coach than Bill and Sean lol.

So, which is it?

No one says Cam was as great as Brees and Brady.  He was certainly elite, and did more with less than almost anyone (especially with the trash coaching), but he wasn’t a sure fire first round lock HoF and top 10 all time QB like those two were.
 

I dunno why you say Cam being less than the other two means Rivera is better than the other two. That logic doesn’t add up.  Rivera: 0 rings, Payton: 1 ring with far less talent on the defense than Rivera had and not a ton on offense, Belichick: many rings with less talent than Rivera had on defense and not a ton on offense. 

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2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

No one says Cam was as great as Brees and Brady.  He was certainly elite, and did more with less than almost anyone (especially with the trash coaching), but he wasn’t a sure fire first round lock HoF and top 10 all time QB like those two were.
 

I dunno why you say Cam being less than the other two means Rivera is better than the other two. That logic doesn’t add up.  Rivera: 0 rings, Payton: 1 ring with far less talent on the defense than Rivera had and not a ton on offense, Belichick: many rings with less talent than Rivera had on defense and not a ton on offense. 

I wasn't trying to belittle Cam, which is your and my usual debate lol. I was trying to point out to a handful of people that coaching with an elite QB still requires a good coach. By their logic, Payton only won it all due to having Brees. But if they don't think Cam is top tier, that means Ron did it without any "Brees magic" so to speak. I was just pushing their buttons. Of course Ron isn't better than they are.

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Never trade picks for a SB winning coach. It's still a risky coach that I don't want, but you are better off going with a defensive minded college coach (at least a couple of them have won multiple SBs) with little to no NFL experience and using the picks on players. SB winning coaches will get you close but they don't win SBs. 5 SB winning coaches have gone to the SB with 2 teams. Only 2 have gone back to the SB with a new team and lost.

Don't do it.

I'm good with getting Payton and giving him 2 seasons to post a winning record and 4 seasons to win a SB when he isn't under contract.

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