Question about Matt Corral

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

I’m cool with disagreement and other opinions for sure. Your opinion is based on something that you can elaborate on. There is detail and thought to it. 
 

I really only take issue with those using preseason as the foundation of their opinion. 
 

Regarding the offense Corral ran, I see that more as a question mark than a knock on him. Similar to Young and Stroud playing at Bama and OSU. It’s not a knock they went to those schools, but it adds mystery to their individual ability. 
 

Either Kiffin ran that offense because it’s what Corral could do, or he ran it because it works. So Corral may be perfectly fine going through reads, but just did what he was asked, or he isn’t good at it, and the offense was simplified for him. 
 

Time will tell. 
 

Regarding injury, I’m torn on that too. He didn’t have much of an injury history at all until the end of his college career. He was plenty durable. Then he hurt his ankle, and played though the pain in the last part of the season, and then got hurt in the bowl game while playing through pain. Lisfranc happened of course too. 
 

So that (imo) is close to being a question mark too, as opposed to a knock. He may have just been unlucky. And what’s funny is that, had he not played through the injury, but rested and came back healthier, his college season may have ended differently, and his draft position may have changed too. 
 

Hard to tell. 
 

But there is enough natural ability, arm strength, and athleticism there that he absolutely was worth the draft pick. Particularly for a team needing a QB. 
 

We shall see how it goes. 
 

Hoping we keep 3 QB’s: a vet, Corral, and a rookie. With Reich and co, I’m hopeful they will figure it out. 

"Regarding injury, I’m torn on that too. He didn’t have much of an injury history at all until the end of his college career. He was plenty durable. Then he hurt his ankle, and played though the pain in the last part of the season, and then got hurt in the bowl game while playing through pain. Lisfranc happened of course too."

 

 

That's who you want leading your team right there. He ain't no buttercup.

[Icege]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This is the very classic example of taking college football and trying to make it the NFL.

TBH, no one cares what an SEC West staff member thinks about Matt Corral. 

He was already evaluated by the entirety of the NFL and passed on by most of the league 2+ times in the draft. 

That doesn’t mean he will fail but it does mean is a very, very, VERY clearly viewed has having a lower value than Young/Stroud. TBD on Levis/AR but I would imagine they also get drafted(in 2023) above Corral's position in the 2022 draft. 

I get that we want to see our picks do well, I get that. But we can't turn off all logic and reason when we look at these players.

Isn't that what people essentially do with the draft though? Try and forecast how well a college athlete would do at the professional level? Since this thread specifically asks where Corral would be selected in this draft, that means we gotta compare him to the current QBs. Seeing as how the alleged #1 QB in this draft is Bryce Young and he plays in the SEC West, that comparison matters. Scouts talk to coaches all of the time and take their input into consideration when evaluating prospects.

Why would he fall in this draft when he was being included in the conversation with Young + Stroud until him and the rest of the Ole Miss offensive starters got hurt? This QB class is also being talked up as being weak due to the best QB in the class being potentially 5'11" 185lbs and has a project guy being talked up as top 15 the same way that Malik Willis was overhyped due to his ceiling. He'd at worse be in the convo w/ Levis/AR if he had a terrible season, but if he continued his trajectory he'd be in the convo with Young/Stroud this year the same way he was last year.

Hell, Johnny Manziel was drafted in the 1st round over Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Yet, I can't think of one (sane) person that was say that Manziel being drafted at #22 shows that he was more valuable than those other three.

As mentioned, this isn't a "START CORRAL!" movement on my end and I hope that the staff does their due diligence on the current crop of QBs. This post and my previous one are just disagreeing with the idea that Corral drops an entire round or two when this QB class is so desperate for talent that Anthony Richardson is being talked up as being potentially drafted in the top 15.

[rippadonn]

3 minutes ago, Icege said:

Isn't that what people essentially do with the draft though? Try and forecast how well a college athlete would do at the professional level? Since this thread specifically asks where Corral would be selected in this draft, that means we gotta compare him to the current QBs. Seeing as how the alleged #1 QB in this draft is Bryce Young and he plays in the SEC West, that comparison matters. Scouts talk to coaches all of the time and take their input into consideration when evaluating prospects.

Why would he fall in this draft when he was being included in the conversation with Young + Stroud until him and the rest of the Ole Miss offensive starters got hurt? This QB class is also being talked up as being weak due to the best QB in the class being potentially 5'11" 185lbs and has a project guy being talked up as top 15 the same way that Malik Willis was overhyped due to his ceiling. He'd at worse be in the convo w/ Levis/AR if he had a terrible season, but if he continued his trajectory he'd be in the convo with Young/Stroud this year the same way he was last year.

Hell, Johnny Manziel was drafted in the 1st round over Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Yet, I can't think of one (sane) person that was say that Manziel being drafted at #22 shows that he was more valuable than those other three.

As mentioned, this isn't a "START CORRAL!" movement on my end and I hope that the staff does their due diligence on the current crop of QBs. This post and my previous one are just disagreeing with the idea that Corral drops an entire round or two when this QB class is so desperate for talent that Anthony Richardson is being talked up as being potentially drafted in the top 15.

"Why would he fall in this draft when he was being included in the conversation with Young + Stroud until him and the rest of the Ole Miss offensive starters got hurt?"

 

If anybody looked at stats and film instead of believing the Matt Rhule sht show they'd see Corral would be a top three QB in this class.

 

[Davidson Deac II]

24 minutes ago, Icege said:

Isn't that what people essentially do with the draft though? Try and forecast how well a college athlete would do at the professional level? Since this thread specifically asks where Corral would be selected in this draft, that means we gotta compare him to the current QBs. Seeing as how the alleged #1 QB in this draft is Bryce Young and he plays in the SEC West, that comparison matters. Scouts talk to coaches all of the time and take their input into consideration when evaluating prospects.

Why would he fall in this draft when he was being included in the conversation with Young + Stroud until him and the rest of the Ole Miss offensive starters got hurt? This QB class is also being talked up as being weak due to the best QB in the class being potentially 5'11" 185lbs and has a project guy being talked up as top 15 the same way that Malik Willis was overhyped due to his ceiling. He'd at worse be in the convo w/ Levis/AR if he had a terrible season, but if he continued his trajectory he'd be in the convo with Young/Stroud this year the same way he was last year.

Hell, Johnny Manziel was drafted in the 1st round over Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Yet, I can't think of one (sane) person that was say that Manziel being drafted at #22 shows that he was more valuable than those other three.

As mentioned, this isn't a "START CORRAL!" movement on my end and I hope that the staff does their due diligence on the current crop of QBs. This post and my previous one are just disagreeing with the idea that Corral drops an entire round or two when this QB class is so desperate for talent that Anthony Richardson is being talked up as being potentially drafted in the top 15.

I hope Corral gets a legitimate shot during the upcoming season.  I mean the odds are not in his favor, but you never know.   Could work out.  Let him, perhaps another drafted qb, and a veteran battle it out in training camp, and may the best man win.   

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Davidson Deac II

[kungfoodude]

37 minutes ago, Icege said:

Isn't that what people essentially do with the draft though? Try and forecast how well a college athlete would do at the professional level? Since this thread specifically asks where Corral would be selected in this draft, that means we gotta compare him to the current QBs. Seeing as how the alleged #1 QB in this draft is Bryce Young and he plays in the SEC West, that comparison matters. Scouts talk to coaches all of the time and take their input into consideration when evaluating prospects.

Why would he fall in this draft when he was being included in the conversation with Young + Stroud until him and the rest of the Ole Miss offensive starters got hurt? This QB class is also being talked up as being weak due to the best QB in the class being potentially 5'11" 185lbs and has a project guy being talked up as top 15 the same way that Malik Willis was overhyped due to his ceiling. He'd at worse be in the convo w/ Levis/AR if he had a terrible season, but if he continued his trajectory he'd be in the convo with Young/Stroud this year the same way he was last year.

Hell, Johnny Manziel was drafted in the 1st round over Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, and Jimmy Garoppolo. Yet, I can't think of one (sane) person that was say that Manziel being drafted at #22 shows that he was more valuable than those other three.

As mentioned, this isn't a "START CORRAL!" movement on my end and I hope that the staff does their due diligence on the current crop of QBs. This post and my previous one are just disagreeing with the idea that Corral drops an entire round or two when this QB class is so desperate for talent that Anthony Richardson is being talked up as being potentially drafted in the top 15.

Fair points, for sure. I do think he would get pushed down because there are a few of the middle round QB's that probably jump him from this class.  Obviously, this will always be theoretical no matter where you stand on this issue. Entirely different league, FO's, draft classes, etc. 

I largely discount college staff analysis because they usually don't have any focus whatsoever on NFL ability. They care if you are winning for them and in the context of college football. You might hear current ACC coaches talk about having to account for someone like Malik Cunningham when he is a player that has a much lower NFL outlook. Same with Stetson Bennett. Boy he looked good at Georgia, right? I bet he was on the lips of every SEC staffer. 

However he won't be on the lips of almost any NFL scout. That's why I discounted that. The college and NFL people have wholly different goals for the most part.

Edited February 10, 2023 by kungfoodude

[CPantherKing]

2022 was not a weak QB class. You had several QBs that can start in the NFL and win from last year. The issue was there was no QB worth a 1st round pick last year and the top 5/6 were being overrated.

Pickett, Ridder, Howell, Corral, Strong, Purdy, Thompson, Oladokun, Zappe, Kelley, Glass, Eleby, and Coan are capable of winning consistently at the NFL level.

The 2022 draft class was deep in NFL talent, just not Manning/Stafford/Mahomes/Roethlisberger talent.

The 2023 class does not have a single winner and 2 potential Blaine Gabbert/Baker Mayfield career backups. This draft class of QBs is like having Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Cade McNown and Akili Smith all going in the 1st round. There is no Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Donovan McNabb, or Daunte Culpepper to save the 2023 class.

The same people who drooled over Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Josh Rosen, and Akili Smith are the same ones drooling over Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis, and Anthony RIchardson.

[onmyown]

Lot of people in here sound like when Dwayne Jarret was drafted…sometimes you just know. No one using the Rhule excuse for Darnold, whose decision making looked better with Wilks. But we just know. There is a reason he was drafted later on. His ceiling is a back up.

[SameDamnThing]

it's a tough situation for Corral. usually, leftover projects from the previous regime at QB are escorted pretty quickly away. Reich brought Jacob Eason in as his project arm and that might represent the threshold Corral has to surpass to make this team. If you look at the QB that Reich has worked with, they're all arm first guys. Manning in Indy during his first stint. Rivers in San Diego. Wentz in Philly. Rivers again in Indy. Ryan in Indy. 

This is why he favors Eason, because Eason has the arm talent to match just about anyone in this draft with Will Levis as the only true competition. I know that sounds absurd, but arm talent is not the only measure of a QB, which is why Eason has been in 3 organizations. It does make me believe that Levis is the preference if we're trying to draft a QB this year. Richardson is far too raw for what Reich wants. I think Corral is a bit more of a two way kind of QB where you give up some on the arm for some on the legs and that hasn't traditionally been what Reich has wanted. I think that extends to the draft eligible QB as well with Young and Richardson being less attractive for us. 

[Rocky Davis]

Not saying that this was the staff to do it under, but did Corral work hard studying film, defenses, his own past tape so that he could improve while not being able to physically work out?

Hell, he should have been in the film room with Kuechly picking his brain about how he could read what an offense was going to do before they did it.  Then use that type of knowledge to study current NFL defenses.

That thing between the ears can't always make up for a lack of natural talent, but definitely can raise your level a notch or two. 

[Eric4280]

51 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

2022 was not a weak QB class. You had several QBs that can start in the NFL and win from last year. The issue was there was no QB worth a 1st round pick last year and the top 5/6 were being overrated.

Pickett, Ridder, Howell, Corral, Strong, Purdy, Thompson, Oladokun, Zappe, Kelley, Glass, Eleby, and Coan are capable of winning consistently at the NFL level.

The 2022 draft class was deep in NFL talent, just not Manning/Stafford/Mahomes/Roethlisberger talent.

The 2023 class does not have a single winner and 2 potential Blaine Gabbert/Baker Mayfield career backups. This draft class of QBs is like having Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Cade McNown and Akili Smith all going in the 1st round. There is no Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Donovan McNabb, or Daunte Culpepper to save the 2023 class.

The same people who drooled over Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Josh Rosen, and Akili Smith are the same ones drooling over Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis, and Anthony RIchardson.

I’m gonna go on record and say this is absolutely false, lol. Will SOME of these qb bust? Of course, they always do. But you’re defending and saying Akeel Glass and Jack Coan are capable of winning NFL games? They’re not even on NFL rosters. Believe me, I’m not super super high on this class either. But I’m not gonna sit here and pretend it’s worthless. Let me ask ya, if teams and everyone thought Lamar would be this, would he have made It to 32? Is that OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY for AR15? Cj Stroud looks to at least have a floor and ceiling of Dak, which isn’t the worst thing. Bryce is positively polarizing and just has that “it” gene that guys like …. Every single qb in 2022 class doesn’t.

 

Is this a troll post? Am I missing something?

[Aussie Tank]

We should never have drafted him over Howell that decision was a PR layup let alone a talent one 

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, Catsfan69 said:

I was screaming for it!!!

I mean, would it have mattered with the Rhule staff? I would have agreed but it literally didn't matter.

[rippadonn]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, would it have mattered with the Rhule staff? I would have agreed but it literally didn't matter.

This team that Rhule handpicked played like a NFL team once he was gone. You are correct NOBODY would look good under that coach AND you might get thrown under the bus.

I really don't think Corral was a Rhule pick otherwise he wouldn't have been stashed. I wholeheartedly believe Corral was brought in by Fitt/Tepp as Matt Rhule always had eyes for Kenny Pickett, Corral was his stepchild.

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

This team that Rhule handpicked played like a NFL team once he was gone. You are correct NOBODY would look good under that coach AND you might get thrown under the bus.

I really don't think Corral was a Rhule pick otherwise he wouldn't have been stashed. I wholeheartedly believe Corral was brought in by Fitt/Tepp as Matt Rhule always had eyes for Kenny Pickett, Corral was his stepchild.

We will probably never know if Corral was a Rhule pick. We probably will have a little bit of an idea moving forward.