Go for Carr hard and save #9 pick?

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Cool.  You don't have an example 

Cool. Neither do you.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Do you have an example of a team trying to develop 2 qbs at the same time?

I don't off the top of my head, outside of the previously mentioned situation with RG3 and Kirk Cousins.

There was that time the Panthers took three in one draft (counting Armanti Edwards) but that was a debacle.

[54th man]

Go for Carr trade back a few spots for extra draft picks then select tight end Mayer from Notre Dane

[Sgt Schultz]

I think @mrcompletely11 alluded to Washington working with (whether it qualifies as development is in front of the jury) RGIII and Cousins at the same time.  As that turned out it was a good thing they did, because Shanahan decided RGIII only needed one good knee in the NFL during the playoffs and sacrificed whatever his future might have been for one game.

Dallas, back in the cave man days, brought Aikman and Steve Walsh in the same year with the intention of developing them both and trading one (we know which one that was).  Aikman was not a sure thing when that started.

As much as I think Shanahan screwed the pooch with RGIII, both of those staffs were very good.  I'm not saying our current staff is not up to that level when it comes to developing young players, especially QBs, just pointing out that neither was the typical NFL staff, let alone the buffoons we had here recently.

Most teams don't try to develop more than one QB because 1) they don't need to, and 2) it is above their coaching staffs.  Hell, developing one may be beyond a good number of staffs in the NFL either because they aren't good enough or they are under the gun to produce NOW.  But, good staffs can pull it off and wind up getting something in return for their efforts when they peddle one of them away.

Back on the original topic, my concern is the definition of "going hard" for Carr.  I like Carr, and I think he makes us a playoff contender when he walks in the door.  The Raidahs situation during his stay has been a clusterf*#k, but then again, it has mostly been that since the 90's.  His availability is an opportunity based on the Raidahs bumbling and getting stuck with McDipstick. 

But, I don't think this team is yet to the point that we are more than a contender for a playoff spot.  I think he is going to cost more than I would like to see us spend.  That leads us to a guy like Brissett to hold the reins until we draft and prepare a younger solution.

So, I am okay with signing Carr......at the right price......which will very likely not be enough to sign him.  I'm also okay with us drafting more than one QB (not in rounds 1 AND 2) and stashing somebody on the practice squad.  We've been so weak at the QB position we almost have to throw some mass of them against the wall to see what sticks.  Honestly, whatever this staff thinks is the way out of this QB dungeon I am okay with trying, with the possible exception of resigning Darnold and expecting different results.

 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Hell, developing one may be beyond a good number of staffs in the NFL

I'm trying to think of an example that suits this statement

It occurs to me that Jacob Eason could be decently suited to the practice squad role you describe. Likewise, Jacoby Brissett has been rightly mentioned as someone who knows Reich's offense and could fill the veteran role (cheaply).

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm trying to think of an example that suits this statement

It occurs to me that Jacob Eason could be decently suited to the practice squad role you describe. Likewise, Jacoby Brissett has been rightly mentioned as someone who knows Reich's offense and could fill the veteran role (cheaply).

Even though Brissett may know the offense he will not be any help in games under center.  He's bad, really bad, PJ Walker bad. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Even though Brissett may know the offense he will not be any help in games under center.  He's bad, really bad, PJ Walker bad. 

I don't know if he's that bad. Heck, he did fairly well against us last year.

(granted that's a low standard)

[MechaZain]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Do you have an example of a team trying to develop 2 qbs at the same time?

We're all speculating here on what "development" really entails but I think most teams do. It's a QB room. When Cam was our clear #1 they all learned and practiced together and often helped each other along. The way Rhule practically ignored Corral after Baker arrived is not normal. They didn't even prepare to kid to be a backup let alone possibly start.

[CRA]

38 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Even though Brissett may know the offense he will not be any help in games under center.  He's bad, really bad, PJ Walker bad. 

Career completion of 61% and 48 TDs to 23 INTs

vs 

57%  and 5 TDs to 11 INTs

He isn't PJ

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

We're all speculating here on what "development" really entails but I think most teams do. It's a QB room. When Cam was our clear #1 they all learned and practiced together and often helped each other along. The way Rhule practically ignored Corral after Baker arrived is not normal. They didn't even prepare to kid to be a backup let alone possibly start.

We've said before (and I still think it's true) that Rhule didn't really know the difference between a college freshman and an NFL rookie.

Like so many of his methods, the way Rhule treated Corral screamed "college coach".

[Leaky_Faucet]

Panthers offensive staff agreed to kick the tires on Carr.

Possibly this week but it will likely be the week after the combine. (Since most of the staff will be observing the workouts in Indianapolis next week).

Other free agent names that came out of the meeting was Daniel Jones and Jacoby Brissett. Brissett spent time with Reich in Indianapolis.

Panthers FO thinks the reported high salary demand by Jones reported is a move to get out of NY and he is highly regarded by Jim Caldwell.

No clear consensus from the group on whether to draft or go free agent route. There are guys they like in both directions. Things should be clearer after next week. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Leaky_Faucet said:

Panthers offensive staff agreed to kick the tires on Carr.

Possibly this week but it will likely be the week after the combine. (Since most of the staff will be observing the workouts in Indianapolis next week).

Other free agent names that came out of the meeting was Daniel Jones and Jacoby Brissett. Brissett spent time with Reich in Indianapolis.

Panthers FO thinks the reported high salary demand by Jones reported is a move to get out of NY and he is highly regarded by Jim Caldwell.

No clear consensus from the group on whether to draft or go free agent route. There are guys they like in both directions. Things should be clearer after next week. 

Well this could get interesting

[raleigh-panther]

From Bleacher Report pulled comment on David Carr only 

 

NFL Free Agents Teams Will Regret Spending Big Money On

GARY DAVENPORTFEBRUARY 21, 2023

 

 

There are two types of teams in the NFL: those who already have a franchise quarterback and those who do not. Teams in the latter group will talk themselves into doing some wacky stuff—see: Carson Wentz over the last two seasons.

The New York Jets have already kicked the tires this offseason on Derek Carr. The New Orleans Saints have been linked to the 31-year-old as well. Those won't be the only two teams who take a run at Carr. The more teams that show interest, the bigger his contract is likely to get.

But whichever team hands Carr a truck full of cheddar is likely to get Wentz'd.

Last year, Carr was 14th leaguewide in passing yards (3,522), which is neither terrible nor great. However, he was 30th in completion percentage (60.8), 24th in passer rating (86.3), tied for third in interceptions (14) and tied for 18th in yards per attempt (7.0).

Those numbers shouldn't inspire any team to hand Carr a contract worth $40-plus million annually. And make no mistake, that's entirely possible. Spotrac estimates his new deal will average $37.7 million per season.

For his career, Carr is 16 games below .500 as a starter and has made one postseason start in nine years. In other words, while Carr may not be a bad quarterback, he isn't an especially good one, either.

And handing him $35-$40 million a season is a risky bet.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

We're all speculating here on what "development" really entails but I think most teams do. It's a QB room. When Cam was our clear #1 they all learned and practiced together and often helped each other along. The way Rhule practically ignored Corral after Baker arrived is not normal. They didn't even prepare to kid to be a backup let alone possibly start.

We absolutely knows what goes into what the "development" of a qb.  Sure its film study but more importantly its reps and game experience.