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Panthers are now the betting favorite for the #1 pick

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16 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Retreads the last 5 years have been painful misses as well so there is really nothing to lose except a few draft picks.

A miss at QB could mean those ‘few draft picks’ turn into missing out on a better QB prospect next year.

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14 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A miss at QB could mean those ‘few draft picks’ turn into missing out on a better QB prospect next year.

Could be, it could also mean we have our long term answer at QB. At some point we have to do something, we know doing nothing will not work. 

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1 minute ago, Martin said:

Could be, it could also mean we have our long term answer at QB. At some point we have to do something, we know doing nothing will not work. 

Oh they've been doing something. It's that they were doing it wrong that has been the problem. 

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32 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A miss at QB could mean those ‘few draft picks’ turn into missing out on a better QB prospect next year.

But I HIGHLY doubt we are in the top 5 next year. Even if we rolled with Darnold, Jacoby, or Corral I still think we are out of the top 10. 

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41 minutes ago, Tbe said:

A miss at QB could mean those ‘few draft picks’ turn into missing out on a better QB prospect next year.

That's not enough reason to not swing this year. 

Fug this timid crap. If you're confident, you go for it.

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1 hour ago, Pantha-kun said:

I really wonder if any one making these prediction has any hard evidence or its all just uninformed guesswork. Logically the colts should have the best senario for trading up to 1. The have higher picks to trade and Bears wouldnt need to drop that far and probably still wind up with the best defensive player in the draft.

The only equalizing factor would be if the Panthers were willing to trade more picks away than the Colts were wiling to. 

This is kind of a given. If the Colts are offering 3 firsts to move up 3 spots, it would probably take us about a bajillion picks to move up from 9. Most likely they can get at most 2 firsts from the Colts. From us, there are a lot of options. We could do 3 firsts and 1 second this year. Or 2 firsts and a haul of picks this year. The Bears need a lot of players, and I can see them passing on the very, very top tier talent for a load of picks. allowing them to do a 1 offseason overhaul.

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From 4 to 1, I don't think the Colts will offer next years pick. I'm in position to get one of the top 3 regardless of whether its at 1, 2, or 3. If they like all of them why would they drop capital. I think it will be harder to pry away more picks from the colts than the Panthers. It's a matter of if thy want to drop to 9 or not.

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57 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If it was Rhule or Rivera or Fox &co....I'd be worried.

With this crew we've got, if they are this sold on someone, I'm sold. 

If they are confident enough to make a move like that, then I'm excited. 

They know the risk and the cost better than anyone in here, but they (collectively) also know the job and the position better than most in the league.

Why?

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Just now, Jaxel said:

From 4 to 1, I don't think the Colts will offer next years pick. I'm in position to get one of the top 3 regardless of whether its at 1, 2, or 3. If they like all of them why would they drop capital. I think it will be harder to pry away more picks from the colts than the Panthers. It's a matter of if thy want to drop to 9 or not.

Colts feels like a team that is constantly over thinking it. I don’t think they will get their act together and trade up. But that is some wild speculation on my end.

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