Confused Why Some Seem to Think We Got Fleeced

[Htarnation4.0]

50 minutes ago, BrianS said:

The problem is not what we gave up to get there.  The problem is who we chose with that selection.  Had we chosen Stroud, do you think this would even be a conversation?

Yeah, this is the real issue even if we fixed the OL, WR, TE. We still don't have a franchise QB. What makes all that worse is that by the time we fix all that, if we even do, the D will need a rebuild. 

[ickmule]

Because some of us knew before the draft that the only reason 9 was any good was he was playing for the most loaded team in college against inferior talent 75% of the season.  

[electro's horse]

oof

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

The problem is not what we gave up to get there.  The problem is who we chose with that selection.  Had we chosen Stroud, do you think this would even be a conversation?

Probably. Not as much but Stroud wouldn’t fix the WRs or the OL or Sanders. We at least would have seen some nice throws to feel optimistic but there would still be people complaining that we gave up too much. Unfortunately, we are just so damn bad with so many holes and so far away from contending that this place is what it is now because we will be mired in losses for at least a couple years. 

[MechaZain]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

The problem is not what we gave up to get there.  The problem is who we chose with that selection.  Had we chosen Stroud, do you think this would even be a conversation?

This is Scott Fitterer in a nutshell. He’ll come up a fair deal based on market conditions and asset value or whatever but has no eye for scouting. It’s like having a finance algorithm as GM which is probably why Tepper has kept him around.

[Johnstonny]

It was a bold move that i applauded ...but dipstick fugged up the pick...simple as that..

[Basbear]

 

On 3/11/2023 at 12:22 PM, Basbear said:

After one night's sleep, heres my feelings. In order to simplify I will use numbers instead of picks. Along with pointing out the here and now. Finally contracts. 

Panthers got the rights to one pick, the first pick and most valued

1st- 2023

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Bears 

9th- 2023

61st- 2023

DJ Moore- 2023-2025 team friendly control for 3 more years 

14th- 2024 guessing on where the panthers finish

47th - 2025 ""

 

Looking at the "now" haul or 2023, man thats looking great for the bears *if you view DJ Moore as a solid #1(I do). Like others thats the sticking point for me and his conctract has 0 dead cap AND no more guarantees. What a bargain even if you view him as an "average" #2. 

Speaking of team friendly contracts, it seems the QB market has gone insane again with the Carr, Jones, and Geno "one year wonder, Im still Geno" Smith. *If the panthers land top 12 level QB play, huge swing towards panther side. If panthers win now and keep winning onward to playoff runs, another huge swing for panthers.

The last factors are having a man like David Tepper as owner. Reports were in 2020 and until Watson got traded, he was telling folks at any cost watson would be a panther....then came his fully guaranteed 250 million demand..... Tepper stopped singing his tune. Now looking over the panthers TEs, RBs, and WRs................ given the trades of DJ Moore and CMC were needed and its leftd the weapons room empty....

I think this traded favors da bears.

But it's not one sided. Looking at recent history at the cost of trading up towards the top- Commies, Bears, 49ers, Rams, Eagles...they show its a higher cost to land the rights.....but I dont want to think about the results of their QBs......

Keep praying.........that CJ Stroud is the savior...

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Basbear

[Shocker]

What Jordan Love is doing (which I didn’t think possible) should give everyone pause on throwing Young away.  Bryce can win in this league with help and confidence.  I would stash him the rest of this season, we aren’t helping his future right now 

[frankw]

On 3/11/2023 at 9:41 AM, rmoneyg35 said:

We only got fleeced if the player ends up being a bust.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

What Jordan Love is doing (which I didn’t think possible) should give everyone pause on throwing Young away.  Bryce can win in this league with help and confidence.  I would stash him the rest of this season, we aren’t helping his future right now 

dont give up, dont ever give up

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

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*If the panthers land top 12 level QB play, huge swing towards panther side. If panthers win now and keep winning onward to playoff runs, another huge swing for panthers.

I seen the future and used * and ifs....... and ended with 

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Keep praying.........that CJ Stroud is the savior...

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

On 3/11/2023 at 8:26 AM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

It doesn't matter to them, they dug into their "lets just roll with another retread QB for another season" hole so they would be against it no matter what.

Losing a first and two seconds will not set this team back even if the QB is a bust. And Moore's prime would be wasted anyway if they went with a retread QB. So yeah

ok i underestimated how bad it would get

Edited December 12, 2023 by Sean Payton's Vicodin

[hepcat]

On 3/11/2023 at 8:58 AM, hepcat said:

They didn’t get fleeced. But trading Moore when you’re about to draft a rookie QB is not a good idea. Rookie QBs need good receivers and it’s gonna be tough to replace his production. 

Checks response to this thread. Phew totally reasonable. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

What Jordan Love is doing (which I didn’t think possible) should give everyone pause on throwing Young away.  Bryce can win in this league with help and confidence.  I would stash him the rest of this season, we aren’t helping his future right now 

Well... For one thing Jordan love doesn't have a noodle arm and can actually throw a deep ball.

I honestly can't recall a quarterback that has ever looked this awful at throwing a deep ball with Bryce. We are not just talking missing on the deep throw, we are talking about missing by about 10 yards on deep throws...

Edited December 12, 2023 by PleaseCutStewart