Adam Schefter: Bryce Young is believed to be favorite for #1 for the Panthers right now

[stan786]

7 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i looked at the number of times that both Young and Stroud were sacked in college...

Young - sacked 63 times in 3 years. 

• 2020 - 6 (9 games)
• 2021 - 39 (15 starts)
• 2022 - 18 (12 starts)

Stroud - sacked 26 times in 3 years.

• 2020 - 0 (2 games)
• 2021 - 13 (12 starts)
• 2022 - 13 (13 starts)

i couldn't find number of pressures, but i was kind of shocked that Stroud took so many less than Young.

Pressures according to PFF (Sack numbers are a little different for some reason)

Young (They have 7 in 2020, 35 in 2021, 18 Sacks in 2022)

• 2020 - 14 Pressures (50% Pressure to sack)
• 2021 - 226 Pressures (15.5% Pressure to sack)
• 2022 - 144 Pressures (12.5% Pressure to sack)

Stroud (They have 12 sacks in 2021 and 14 in 2022)

• 2020 - 0 Pressures
• 2021 - 111 Pressures (10.8% Pressure to sack)
• 2022 - 99 Pressures (14.1% Pressure to sack)

 

[top dawg]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Person stated they have "conviction", they just happen to have it on more than one guy.

Knowing that more than one guy suits your needs is not "hoping or guessing".

Yeah, OK. They like the guys equally...

Edited March 17, 2023 by top dawg

[Jackie Lee]

Seems the Texans can play the game too

 

[Skack25]

Hopefully we are trying to trick teams behind us.  If we don't take Stroud.... smh.

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Person stated they have "conviction", they just happen to have it on more than one guy.

Knowing that more than one guy suits your needs is not "hoping or guessing".

You do know that they use Joe sometimes for this very reason right?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

You do know that they use Joe sometimes for this very reason right?

Joe's not the only one saying this. In fact it's pretty much what everybody is saying (even Albert Breer mentioned it).

I've heard people suggest this is just a smokescreen trying to get the Texans to make an offer to trade up. My question with regard to that logic is why would they be trying to bluff the Texans into trading up if they aren't willing to trade down?

Edited March 17, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[mrcompletely11]

14 minutes ago, Skack25 said:

Hopefully we are trying to trick teams behind us.  If we don't take Stroud.... smh.

Why would we do that?  What's the point 

[rayzor]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I would guess higher quality opponents.

And yeah, that'd give me pause, especially given that one of the concerns with Stroud is how he reacts to pressure.

it could be, especially considering that in the GA game he was sacked 4 times and there had only been one other game in which he had multiple sacks to that point and even then it was just 2. 

also...it's not like GA is your average defense in even the SEC. it's arguably the best that there is.

Young didn't play GA last year, but they played them twice the year before...both big games of course. 1st game Young did pretty well, 3 TDs, no INTs, and no sacks. the second game they didn't do nearly as well. Young had 1 TD, 2 INTs, and was sacked 4 times. 

all in all, imo, as far as the ability to sense and handle pressure in the backfield i think it's kind of a wash. if anything i think Stroud is able to handle it better so that he doesn't have to resort to running. it's not that he doesn't trust his legs to get him out of trouble, it's that he'd rather use his legs to scramble and find the best passing option and he does really well with that. And he's usually able to do that without bailing out of the pocket.

Young will use his legs to scramble, but i think he bails out of the pocket probably sooner than he needs to. The thing is that he's able to still make it work. I think he's better than Stroud at that kind of thing, but not much better. 

Young is probably the more entertaining of the two because he's able to make so many plays on the run, but it might be that he does that kind of thing so often when it could have been avoided, which is something that Stroud is able to do...avoid bailing out of the pocket. Young is a magician because he has to be due to his style of play. Stroud doesn't have to be due to his style of play.

I would be incredibly happy with either, but i think that i would prefer stroud more. i think that his style of play makes him less susceptible to injury and eventual mistakes than Young does. Young's size doesn't bother me much. Young's relying on his mobility and his legs more makes him more susceptible to injury and mistakes. again, all just my opinion.

[Skack25]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why would we do that?  What's the point 

Just going off the reports of us 'possibly trading back.'

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Skack25 said:

Just going off the reports of us 'possibly trading back.'

We are not trading back. I don't care what reports say. 

[rippadonn]

1 hour ago, jayboogieman said:

If rippadonn is on board with Stroud, you guys know it's not happening. He's what, 0-1000 when it comes to QBs? Get ready for the Panthers to draft AR, Levis, or Young.

Joining the knuckle draggers? Ever heard of Justin Herbert? Matt Corral was drafted by your own Panthers. Will Levis shot up the draft boards like me and Payton Manning predicted.

The huddle in general may lack picking prowess but I have no such problems...

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by rippadonn

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

Joining the knuckle draggers? Every heard of Justin Herbert? Matt Corral was drafted by your own Panthers. Will Levis shot up the draft boards like me and Payton Manning predicted.

 

Levis was always a high pick. You left out Carson Strong…. 

[travisura]

Nvm not worth it.

Edited March 17, 2023 by travisura

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Levis was always a high pick. You left out Carson Strong…. 

Between his favorites of strong, Trask and Corral there are just 3 completions in the nfl