Fanbase Temperature Gauge: Who do you like and who do you want? (3/21/23)

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

On 3/21/2023 at 11:07 AM, Bluetooth said:

its Young, no need to debate anymore

 It's Stroud no debate anymore. Bank it.

Edited March 22, 2023 by PantherOnTheProwl1523

[Jaxel]

Ready gor Youngs pro day, go show out!!

[stratocatter]

I did not want to pay the price to get to 1. 

Now that is done, I have to pick. Stroud. His accuracy and size, win a 2 way head to head.

 

edit: yep, I am a sizist.

Edited March 22, 2023 by stratocatter

[Krovvy]

3 hours ago, Wes21 said:

The more I review film the more I see this differently.  It seems like Stroud is the one processing information really quickly and getting the ball to his playmakers while Young misses alot of initial passes and is forced to dance around and make something happen after that.  I am actually alarmed at how much he does it.

Not that either are my favorite, but Stroud has a tendency to stick with his first read until they come open, and most of the time they do.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Krovvy

[Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks]

18 hours ago, Gerry Green said:

 

If you can't see the QB. Wouldn't that mean he can't see you? 

Ask Barry Sanders

[Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks]

19 hours ago, jfra78 said:

So what tiny QB with gumption has won it with no talent?

If we're talking hardly any talent on the offense, I'd argue Russell Wilson. Also unwashed Drew Brees, who gave our franchise nightmares for about 10 years even without top talent. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Teddy2SuperBowlHeartBreaks said:

If we're talking hardly any talent on the offense, I'd argue Russell Wilson. Also unwashed Drew Brees, who gave our franchise nightmares for about 10 years even without top talent. 

Wilson had crazy talent at their peak.  Beastmode paired with a historic defense? 

2012 - #3 rush attack 

2013 - #4

2014 - #1 

 

[beo]

Young's size is concerning but with how QBs are protected today I don't really think it matters as much as it would've in years past. If this was the 00s? Yeah, sub 200 pound qb is probably off of my draft board entirely. 2023? With the roughing calls they give out now? I dunno. Injuries a lot of the time really are just bad luck. Cam's shoulder injury that basically ended his career in the long run happened on a play that should've been whistled dead. Even if Young gets hurt, who knows if him being 20 lbs heavier would've prevented it? 

It's certainly worrying but it's not like he missed that many games in college taking hits from SEC linemen. Different game than NFL linemen, sure, but still encouraging. Bryce just needs to be sure to protect himself from hits at the next level whenever possible and I think he'll be fine with how much they handhold QBs these days.

To echo a sentiment posted earlier, I'm glad I'm not the one making this decision lol.

Edited March 23, 2023 by beo
wording

[rayzor]

7 hours ago, Wes21 said:

The more I review film the more I see this differently.  It seems like Stroud is the one processing information really quickly and getting the ball to his playmakers while Young misses alot of initial passes and is forced to dance around and make something happen after that.  I am actually alarmed at how much he does it.

This is a lot of what I've been seeing. CJ it seems always has his poo together and always in control of the situation. The game is slow for him it seems. Bryce reacts and moves quickly because he has to, or at least because he feels he has to and it might be that if he saw the field better he wouldn't have to scramble so much...I don't know.

Bryce takes advantage of the world collapsing around him and can do remarkable things when it does, but CJ won't let it collapse around him or at least won't let it dictate what he's doing. It will influence him, for sure, but he won't let it control him and force him to give up on the play.

Bryce does well when things break down, CJ doesn't let things break down.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Bryce does well when things break down, CJ doesn't let things break down.

To be fair, that's an awfully tough thing to do at the NFL level.

[Swaggasaurus]

10 minutes ago, rayzor said:

This is a lot of what I've been seeing. CJ it seems always has his poo together and always in control of the situation. The game is slow for him it seems. Bryce reacts and moves quickly because he has to, or at least because he feels he has to and it might be that if he saw the field better he wouldn't have to scramble so much...I don't know.

Bryce takes advantage of the world collapsing around him and can do remarkable things when it does, but CJ won't let it collapse around him or at least won't let it dictate what he's doing. It will influence him, for sure, but he won't let it control him and force him to give up on the play.

Bryce does well when things break down, CJ doesn't let things break down.

Eshhhh quite the eval. QB’s can prevent protection busts? Does CJ walk on water too? CJ, when throwing to his first read, or second read on the same side of the field…that’s my QB. They are severely out talenting 80% of their opponents at OhioSt and that’s why his tape has so many 1st read throws that look great and why you think he doesn’t have the world collapsing around him (it’s the NFL, poo is going to collapse) CJ has a flaw in his game, he struggles when he has to move off his first read to the other side of the field, he processes a tick too slow there and that leads to his worst plays. He should be a more decisive runner in those situations, it would help him tremendously. We will see how NFL coaching and an NFL offense changes that. The other guys flaw is about 5 inches…you can’t coach that up

[tukafan21]

I think Young is a better QB prospect in a vacuum due to his next level mental side of things.

But I think his size is such a significant factor that Stroud is the better pick to make, particularly after everything we gave up to get him.  If we were the worst team in the league last year and #1 was already our pick, I'd be more acceptable of the Young risk, but I'd still take Stroud in that scenario too.  I don't think there is a big gap between them as pure QB prospects as they each have various things they do better than the other and are both really good prospects.

I'm also not really bothered by Young's height much at all, I don't love it, but if he had a little more stockier build like the other successful short QB's have had, I'd be much more interested in him.  I just can't see someone of his build lasting for very long in this league.  I know the game is constantly evolving to protect the QB, but defensive players are only getting bigger, stronger, faster, and it might not take many legal hits on his frame to break him down.

Having said all that, if we take Young, I won't be as happy as I would with Stroud, but I'm not going to be super upset about it, just hope he gets thicker and can avoid injury.

But if we take Richardson after everything we gave up to move up to #1, I'll lose it

Edited March 23, 2023 by tukafan21

[Ivory Panther]

6 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I think Young is a better QB prospect in a vacuum due to his next level mental side of things.

But I think his size is such a significant factor that Stroud is the better pick to make, particularly after everything we gave up to get him.  If we were the worst team in the league last year and #1 was already our pick, I'd be more acceptable of the Young risk, but I'd still take Stroud in that scenario too.  I don't think there is a big gap between them as pure QB prospects as they each have various things they do better than the other and are both really good prospects.

I'm also not really bothered by Young's height much at all, I don't love it, but if he had a little more stockier build like the other successful short QB's have had, I'd be much more interested in him.  I just can't see someone of his build lasting for very long in this league.  I know the game is constantly evolving to protect the QB, but defensive players are only getting bigger, stronger, faster, and it might not take many legal hits on his frame to break him down.

Having said all that, if we take Young, I won't be as happy as I would with Stroud, but I'm not going to be super upset about it, just hope he gets thicker and can avoid injury.

But if we take Richardson after everything we gave up to move up to #1, I'll lose it

Only this fanbase can say with a straight face, “yea, take the lesser talent. Because that other might get hurt”.

nevermind that any QB of any size can get hurt inside the pocket or outside.

 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Ivory Panther said:

Only this fanbase can say with a straight face, “yea, take the lesser talent. Because that other might get hurt”.

nevermind that any QB of any size can get hurt inside the pocket or outside.

 

Not at all, I think every fan base could say the same thing, it's all part of the equation.  That's why there isn't a consensus on who should be the #1 pick, because Stroud is not really a lesser talent, just different and I'd rank Young only marginally ahead as a pure QB prospect.  

I also think the areas that Young is a better prospect, in terms of seeing the game, can be taught to Stroud, particularly since it's not like he's terrible at it, he's just not quite as good as Young there.  But you can't do anything about Young's size at all, sure you can get him in the gym and on a diet plan that will hopefully put a little bulk onto him, but he has a small frame, he can only get so big to help insulate him to injuries.

If there was a sizable gap between them as prospects, like if it was Young vs Levis, then no, the size factor doesn't play into it the same way and you take Young, easy call.

But I think they're very close as prospects, and when they're that close, you factor in Young's size given how small he really is.