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Albert Breer on Panthers #1 pick (no trade back)

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3 minutes ago, gmonjimbo said:

I like Darnell Washington TE from Georgia at no. 39 I think he instantly replaces Ian Thomas and Tommy Tremble in being our inline blocker, a serious red zone threat, and potential to develop as a pass catcher but can come along slowly as Hayden Hurst fulfills that role. Washington blocking is rated so good that if he doesn't develop at TE, could be converted to RT. 

I like him as well, but I think he will be the 2nd TE off the board. Some team in the late 1st rd will fall in love with his size and athleticism and will take him.

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I'm truly cool with either QB (though I do like Young a little more, no pun intended) but some of the double standards on here about what news is real and what's fake about the reports on who we like is a little weird to me. I don't think everything that has come out this week is a smokescreen but I also don't believe anything is set in stone. 

I do believe however that the CJ Stroud speculation post trade up was largely based on the timing (post-combine where he threw well) and the idea that Frank will only coach a QB of a certain stature. It's entirely possible that people have taken a step back and maybe gotten more intel on the panthers intentions leading to the drastic shift in the past few weeks. 

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23 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

It's all over his College tape. 

Also I've no idea why people have to be such dicks on here - grow the fug up.

Weird. I've watched a lot of his tape. I don't see it. Analysts don't see it. I don't see anyone anywhere in anyway related to the NFL saying BY struggles with pressure. The stats don't back that up either. It's utter nonsense. Sorry to come across harsh earlier.

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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Now that we know Bryce Young is likely the pick.

 

Can we get this dude a legit young weapon to grow with?

 

No disrespect to Thielen he's aging, and Chark is on a 1yr deal with a injury prone history.

 

If we can get a young WR or TE he can grow with would be nice.

I might have to be TE wr this year isn’t very strong 

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

I still hope this is all speculation and Fitterer stays true to his word that they're not going to discuss the QB until they all come together next week.

With regards to an extra weapon - fug that, if they're going to risk their careers with Young you need to build an absolute wall in front of him. Dude does not handle pressure from NFL athletes well AT ALL. 

Think you have this backwards. CJ Stroud’s passing grade against pressure this year was 43.9. Bryce Young’s was 67.5. Bryce Young did much better against pressure against arguably better competition.

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1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

Im not really concerned about this whole size thing... the NFL is literally creating rules where you are not allowed to hit the QB hard. It's changing the mentality of the defensive players now. They are coached not to hit the QB... wild thought right?

Fear of getting a penalty will not prevent him from getting hit hard by a defender.  A team will glady take a 15 yrd penalty to hit him so hard he's blowing snot bubbles.  It's too late after he gets crushed by having a 350 lb dlineman fall on him a full speed.  

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Fear of getting a penalty will not prevent him from getting hit hard by a defender.  A team will glady take a 15 yrd penalty to hit him so hard he's blowing snot bubbles.  It's too late after he gets crushed by having a 350 lb dlineman fall on him a full speed.  

Pretty sure most QBs would get injured this way. Don’t care if you’re 3 inches taller or weight 20lbs more, you’re getting hurt. It’s the pocket awareness and line adjustments to avoid poo like this that matter more.

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12 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Im not really concerned about this whole size thing... the NFL is literally creating rules where you are not allowed to hit the QB hard. It's changing the mentality of the defensive players now. They are coached not to hit the QB... wild thought right?

Brother, were is your limit? No BS.

at what point do you "Thats too small/short"....memes aside and all..

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11 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Fear of getting a penalty will not prevent him from getting hit hard by a defender.  A team will glady take a 15 yrd penalty to hit him so hard he's blowing snot bubbles.  It's too late after he gets crushed by having a 350 lb dlineman fall on him a full speed.  

There was a podcast with 2 current defensive lineman and 2 linebackers, and they were stating that they practicing are ways to hit QBs in the offseason actively. They dont give a poo about the penalty, it was the fines they were getting. It was pretty interesting stuff as they were chatting in detail about it. 

 

I will dig it up for you, if you are interested. Its going be in my YT history somewhere.

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      Initially, I wanted Stroud but I thought the trade up meant that, whoever they chose, it was for a reason.  There was no pressure to do anything for the entire scouting team to do other than investigate every aspect of the top 3 candidates.  Stroud had his question marks, and I think it is possible that he falters this year.  Bryce had a much worse situation here in Carolina because we neglected the OL, traded our #1 WR, did not pick WRs well in the draft, traded our pro bowl RB, and seem to disregard the TE position altogether.  Bozeman was not a good fit and we relied on an improved OL in 2022 to suggest that we were set there when we were far from it.  Fitterer had no vision, no grasp of talent, and everyone in the front office and on the coaching staff were pretending to be gurus.  Our coaching staff was a group of men earning a lifetime achievement paycheck.  It all goes back to the years of neglect for the OL.  My theory?  If Stroud had come to Carolina, he would be as mocked and ridiculed as Bryce Young.   No, he does not have a cannon.  Chad Pennington was a weak-armed QB who had success and would have been even better if it were not for injuries.  Smarts is important at QB, and so are mechanics.  Before you can address Young's mechanics, he needs an OL, Running game, and weapons. We were not really able to run play action from under center for a few reasons--play action is not effective when you have to pass the ball--other than that, the QB must turn his back to the LOS for about 1.5 seconds.  When the QB has less than 2.5 seconds to pass the ball, that eliminates that part of the play book.  Heck, even the run option is minimized when there is immediate facial pressure.  SO those who want to talk about happy feet, bouncing, etc--they are symptoms of the problem, not the problem.  A weak arm?  Well, Young's arm is between Chad Pennington and Joe Montana--closer to Joe.  His are is not as weak as some think--but he has issues with the deep ball. When you are reacting to the defense and quickly have to pass, then that takes away the strength because you don't have the base to get power behind it.  I still wish we had taken Stroud, but we have Young and if you toss him out before giving him support, you are not wise, unsmart, not unfoolish, and rather elite in your failure to attain mediocrity.  Expect growth.  How much? Nobody knows.
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