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REPORT: Bryce Young scored 98 out of 99 on his S2 cognitive test

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Two questions.  How big a difference is a 98 versus an 89 in processing speed? Milliseconds, seconds? And since it has been around for 7 or 8 years how reliable and valid can it predict NFL success? Does a 94 mean they will be a probowler but not win the Superbowl versus an 89 who will be a bust. This will be interesting to track over time..

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14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Two questions.  How big a difference is a 98 versus an 89 in processing speed? Milliseconds, seconds? And since it has been around for 7 or 8 years how reliable and valid can it predict NFL success? Does a 94 mean they will be a probowler but not win the Superbowl versus an 89 who will be a bust. This will be interesting to track over time..

None of it matters if a person can't physically pass well. As has been stated it's one part of evaluations and it's not just one score

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3 minutes ago, csx said:

None of it matters if a person can't physically pass well. As has been stated it's one part of evaluations and it's not just one score

Of course it is one test battery which is likely heavily nonverbal with timed tests and tasks. But if it isn't reliable and valid for predicting future qb success then it is worse than useless and actually counterproductive since you are using the results to make decisions putting weigh on factors which are not positively correlated with actual success. 

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19 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Two questions.  How big a difference is a 98 versus an 89 in processing speed? Milliseconds, seconds? And since it has been around for 7 or 8 years how reliable and valid can it predict NFL success? Does a 94 mean they will be a probowler but not win the Superbowl versus an 89 who will be a bust. This will be interesting to track over time..

It's not like grading a paper A-F. It's like comparing scores of all the players in the database which is like 370 qb's or so. So 50 isn't a moron, it's average. I wish they'd just release some beta version online people could try it out but they're still trying to sell it to half the teams in the league. The guy was also wording things very carefully so that it's not the end all be all if a guy will be good or bust. If Purdy hadn't came out and done so well I don't think it would be getting this much hype

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2 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

It's not like grading a paper A-F. It's like comparing scores of all the players in the database which is like 370 qb's or so. So 50 isn't a moron, it's average. I wish they'd just release some beta version online people could try it out but they're still trying to sell it to half the teams in the league. The guy was also wording things very carefully so that it's not the end all be all if a guy will be good or bust. If Purdy hadn't came out and done so well I don't think it would be getting this much hype

Most cognitive tests are based on a score of 100 as the 50th percentile and it goes up or down from there. These are norm based tests whose scores are uaed to compare one against the other. Clearly this is different with a top score of 99 and you receive a score based on how well you perform against a standard typically known as a criterion referenced test.  The problem is that it is hard to decide how much weight to give a factor which doesn't have much longevity or a large pool of testers to compare and make meaningful conclusions. And if you put weight on a test with little validity it is worse than ignoring it completely

 

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Pretty sure that the S2 isn't a single score anyway. That was what one of the founder's was saying on a recent The Roar podcast.

It's a set of scores in different areas of performance. 

Right and based on what I heard it’s not a test score. It’s a percentile meaning if the top score is 99, Bryce scored in the top 1% of all football test takers at 98. If the top score is really 100 it’s still top 2 percentile. 

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Most cognitive tests are based on a score of 100 as the 50th percentile and it goes up or down from there. These are norm based tests whose scores are uaed to compare one against the other. Clearly this is different with a top score of 99 and you receive a score based on how well you perform against a standard typically known as a criterion referenced test.  The problem is that it is hard to decide how much weight to give a factor which doesn't have much longevity or a large pool of testers to compare and make meaningful conclusions. And if you put weight on a test with little validity it is worse than ignoring it completely

 

In fairness, this has existed for 8 straight NFL drafts and has been used by the NFL. For whatever reason this just because a hot issue this NFL draft cycle.

My guess is that they have a large enough pool of players to make this a decent tool. It should get better with time.

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10 hours ago, Jaxel said:

Billy Marshal hosted the co-owner of S2 and he said practicing doesn't improve your score to a great degree. Studies with top athletes at several schools who take the test from high school to their senior year in college only see roughly ~5 point difference even taking it for years.

He also said there isn't one score.

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Meh, this really isn’t news, and while this sounds good it’s a new tests and hardly indicative of future success. 
 

it looks like it’s gonna be Young and I’m trying to warm myself up to a “fun size” QB, like I said before if Young was 3 inches taller and 20lbs heavier he would be my no doubt #1. But his size has me seriously concerned about his longevity in the league.

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