QB School - Bryce Young vs Miami

[Varking]

Love Sullivans content. I think his Patreon supporters get more plays broken down. There’s a lot of good happening and then there the bad. It’s a mixed bag. Which is to be expected at this point. The promising thing is he has indeed shown improvement every week. We just have to hope it continues. 
 

The deep ball attempts would be better if he at least gave Chark a chance to get pass interference but he was rushed. 
 

I don’t see what some folks see. Bryce CAN make every throw. That’s a fact. Bryce DOES have to be more precise with those throws other QBs can get away with. He doesn’t have a cannon or an above average arm. 
 

You don’t need one to win and it makes me question how much of the play calling has been limited by their deep ball success in practice. 
 

All in all… I see progress. 

[frankw]

Just now, Rags said:

My brother in christ you are literally saying "if you don't agree with me, you lack logic" that's not something you can converse with lol

I think you misread the post from the jump. It wasn't an attack on you. I was simply stating that right now Young has probably at best an average or below average NFL arm. He's only 22 and that could change. But the situation is the situation currently. It's difficult to reconcile with the fact that's what we traded up to at number one overall. I don't like it either but it's a reality I'm going to accept for the time being.

[ForJimmy]

17:50 looks like that 20 yard out route people were wanting to see Young throw.  The PA kept his OGs upright and he delivered right on the money.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Rags said:

I would love to see the passing charts and for which games, because there were absolutely games D.J. had the greenlight on one on ones down field and Teddy just. Wouldn't. 

But even then, great, we're still comparing a 7 (?) year vet with a much more competent offensive supporting cast (two 1,000 yard WRs, Mike Davis) and a rookie learning in the NFL. And even then he's still been going over the middle more and more recently. 

Teddy was a checkdown and conservative QB.  And I'm not comparing a vet to a rookie.  But people keep saying that Bryce is attacking downfield more than Teddy and that is just factually wrong.   It is non-existent under Bryce for whatever reason.  

 

that's just a 4 game stretch.   Only shows week 5-17.  But overall, yeah, Teddy went downfield much more than Bryce Young has and it's not much of a debate.  And Teddy hated doing that.  It doesn't exist under Bryce.  It sporadically was part of Teddy's game here. 

most certainly there can be debate about why Bryce isn't.  Might have little to do with Bryce.  But he isn't.  And Teddy did it much more consistently.  So rookie Bryce isn't even close to threatening downfield as much as one of the biggest check downers and conservative throwers we have seen. 

[Rags]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think that was fitt knowing he stepped in it before the preseason and knew young wasnt ready yet

 

I never bought the fluff but then again I didnt think bryce would be this bad

And this is the point of contention, this isn't just on Bryce. This team is bad. 

I don't think there's many who don't wish Stroud was the pick, but we have Bryce and many of us think there's things to work with and also this would still be a terrible situation for Stroud or Richardson. 

And also I think it's pretty unanimous Fitt poo the bed and should be shown the door. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

17:50 looks like that 20 yard out route people were wanting to see Young throw.  The PA kept his OGs upright and he delivered right on the money.

He without a doubt 100% needs to be under center more to sell the PA.   Not sure what the fug reich was thinking not leaning into it more

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Rags said:

And this is the point of contention, this isn't just on Bryce. This team is bad. 

I don't think there's many who don't wish Stroud was the pick, but we have Bryce and many of us think there's things to work with and also this would still be a terrible situation for Stroud or Richardson. 

And also I think it's pretty unanimous Fitt poo the bed and should be shown the door. 

I dont disagree with any of that

[ForJimmy]

Just now, frankw said:

I think you misread the post from the jump. It wasn't an attack on you. I was simply stating that right now Young has probably at best an average or below average NFL arm. He's only 22 and that could change. But the situation is the situation currently. It's difficult to reconcile with the fact that's what we traded up to at number one overall. I don't like it either but it's a reality I'm going to accept for the time being.

In order for you (well me) to really try to evaluate Young this year I had to accept 2 things.  One we shouldn't have traded what we traded to draft him, and two Stroud was the better choice.  Now all of that is a sunk cost and water under the bridge and I am looking at Young progressing to see if he can become our QB of the future, which to me he is showing some signs of life and progression.  If we can walk away from this with Young developing into our franchise QB it would be a win at this point.  

[WUnderhill]

I’m ok with him missing every single deep shot if it is between being accurate and protecting himself. Not interested in Bryce Young to IR and he’s getting hit enough as is.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Teddy was a checkdown and conservative QB.  And I'm not comparing a vet to a rookie.  But people keep saying that Bryce is attacking downfield more than Teddy and that is just factually wrong.   It is non-existent under Bryce for whatever reason.  

 

that's just a couple.  Only shows week 5-17.  But overall, yeah, Teddy went downfield much more and than Bryce Young has and it's not much of a debate.  And Teddy hated doing that.  It doesn't exist under Bryce.  It sporadically was part of Teddy's game here. 

Maybe deep yeah, but it’s the lack of intermediate throws that drove me mad with Teddy, and us this year the first 3 games. At least we’ve seen more 15-20 yard passes the last few.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I am looking at Young progressing to see if he can become our QB of the future, which to me he is showing some signs of life and progression.  If we can walk away from this with Young developing into our franchise QB it would be a win at this point.  

Sure thats where most of us are, except now you have a faction, me included, wondering what his ceiling truly is.  Did we trade all that capital for a severely limited qb that needs a very specific offense to be effective?

[Rags]

Just now, CRA said:

Teddy was a checkdown and conservative QB.  And I'm not comparing a vet to a rookie.  But people keep saying that Bryce is attacking downfield more than Teddy and that is just factually wrong.   It is non-existent under Bryce for whatever reason.  

 

that's just a couple.  Only shows week 5-17.  But overall, yeah, Teddy went downfield much more and than Bryce Young has and it's not much of a debate.  And Teddy hated doing that.  It doesn't exist under Bryce.  It sporadically was part of Teddy's game here. 

So how deep are we going to say is "okay" Here? Because using Bryce's Week 6 chart We did get a 32 yarder, and in week 1 we did get a 40+ (which I don't remember at all)  which is only 2 less 40s than 

Which is concerning, but also, given our offensive struggles and the fact again Teddy had the better WR core (D.j., Curt and Robby was a powerful trio) I am going to argue that Bryce would take mroe shots with that cast than this one that notably isn't getting a ton of separation. 

But more importantly it's only 3 less 30 yard attempts than what Dalton put out in Week 3. I am willing to lean that it is more of a cast thing than it JUST being Bryce's ability to throw deep. 

Also after typing this up and looking at (at least Bryce's week 6 chart) and what you've put here for Teddy, teddy didn't throw +15 often, Bryce is and over the middle too. That's the differences. 

[Coheed]

2 minutes ago, Rags said:

So how deep are we going to say is "okay" Here? Because using Bryce's Week 6 chart We did get a 32 yarder, and in week 1 we did get a 40+ (which I don't remember at all)  which is only 2 less 40s than 

Which is concerning, but also, given our offensive struggles and the fact again Teddy had the better WR core (D.j., Curt and Robby was a powerful trio) I am going to argue that Bryce would take mroe shots with that cast than this one that notably isn't getting a ton of separation. 

But more importantly it's only 3 less 30 yard attempts than what Dalton put out in Week 3. I am willing to lean that it is more of a cast thing than it JUST being Bryce's ability to throw deep. 

Also after typing this up and looking at (at least Bryce's week 6 chart) and what you've put here for Teddy, teddy didn't throw +15 often, Bryce is and over the middle too. That's the differences. 

I honestly think it’s mostly a combination of the cast and Bryce adjusting to the game at the next level. Hoping to see him settle his feet and take more shots once Corbett is back and hopefully he can connect on more throws likes the one he missed to chark because he doesn’t have a DT in his face the second the ball is snapped. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

18 minutes ago, Rags said:

Listen man if u wanna buy into team fluff cool, great. Sometimes it works on me too.

I reeled it back when our GM publicly said "Yeah we're gonna suck" before week 1.

It was pretty well documented across the board that Bryce was the highest floor, lowest ceiling of the top 3. He was the most NFL ready to start day 1. Thats what was being said about his abilities. Not he's a rookie and you're going to need to be patient and wait 2 or 3 years. He was ready to go now. Posters who questioned this before the draft were poo'd on and called idiots because we couldn't see everything that the experts saw. 

We're 6 weeks in and all of a sudden that narrative has completely flipped and we need to be patient and he's only a rookie and there's growing pains and blah, blah, blah. 

I look at it like this. Either our GM, coaches and scouts really missed on his evaluation and his trade up value because he's not ready to be an NFL starting QB week 1 like was claimed, OR, this is what some of us thought it was and a drastic overpay for a QB that has the lowest ceiling of the 3. 

Either option is bad, but the first is actually worse because it involves every player this staff evaluates and not just the QB position. But now we have given up our WR1, our 23' 1st, our 24' 1st, and a 2nd just to go backwards? You don't make that trade if you can't do better than the year before, and right now we're swimming in the sewer with no way out.