Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

What if, and hear me out here, Bryce Young is not actually some cerebral genius QB


electro's horse
 Share

Recommended Posts

4 hours ago, electro's horse said:

This blurb about Aidan O'Connell caught my eye

https://www.raidersbeat.com/respected-qb-coach-once-said-aidan-oconnell-is-the-most-accurate-quarterback-he-has-ever-coached/

On one hand you can believe that Bryce never had to learn how to adjust protections because he never had to do it at Alabama. But if he's so cerebral and understands the defenses (lol I know just humor me) why would he need experience with that? Moving offensive linemen around should be easy if you know what the protections are and where defenders are blitzing from. Yes playcalling bad, yes bad scheme sure. 

But we saw Bryce given a much freer hand earlier in the season with making adjustments and playcalls. He sucked at it. He frequently checked into nothing productive, or got sacked, or got a delay of game/had to use a timeout. They took away his ability to make those calls.

We know that Alabama is powerful in the sports media. We know Saban likes to get his players drafted in the first because it's a good recruitment tool. We know that the media will slobber all over Alabama QBs regardless of their talent (see Mac Jones' rookie year) or onfield behavior (Burns ankle). We've seen all announcers, including college guy Herbstreit, constantly go back to his processing, saying he has to move faster, and being shocked at the difference between Bryce in college and now. 

So what if it's all just bullshit? What if Bryce was an okay QB in a stacked offense? What if all this point guard nonsense was just a media narrative that benefited a powerful program/coach? Would certainly explain why Reich is looking like someone is pointing a gun at his family's head behind camera in every shot he's in. 

And if this was all just a media narrative to fill air space during broadcasts, it's no surprise Tepper's dumb ass fell for it. 

I'm sure the usual cohort of low tier posters are going to post the first tinfoil hat picture they can google, but at this point I'm starting to think it might be true. Bryce looks like he has no goddamn idea what's happening out there, or what the defense is doing, or where his receivers are going. Those two picks to Bates against Atlanta? Did the same poo against the Bears, they were just dropped. 

I dunno guys. Think we got less of a Tyrion and more of a Dopey.

What if our rookie QB needs a year or two of seasoning and physical development to flourish?

I can see a future where Bryce is weighing in at 210lb and dicing up opposing offenses. 

  • Poo 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Regardless of whether he’s “cerebral” or not he’s tasked with playing on an offense that might be all-time NFL bad by the time the season is over. Oh yeh, and he has already had two guys calling plays in 1/2 a season and both of them have no clue how to generate points.

i know it’s really hard for the instant gratification generation and the hot take crowd to not trash Bryce but we really can’t grade this guy until he has legit weapons and a better than awful o-line.

Read my post above.

We give him an elite O-Line and stud WRs and his numbers improve. Is the improvement because Bryce is legit? Or because he has stars around him like he did in Bama? You judge a QB by being a success when times are hard. Remember how Cam was praised for carrying the entire team on his back? He alone won us games. Young has yet to do it.

And you don't become a football coach by sheer luck (unless you have a nickname like Prime or your daddy coached). You have to know more than us guys on a message board ... so don't blame the plays. Yes, there are good and bad coaches, and yes having an elite team and QB can make a coach elite (hi, Bellichick) ... but just as you want people to not just automatically rag on Bryce, you can't just say our coaches have no clue what they're doing. They do but they're working with table scraps.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

What if our rookie QB needs a year or two of seasoning and physical development to flourish?

I can see a future where Bryce is weighing in at 210lb and dicing up opposing offenses. 

He may very well need a season or two after this one to gel. But this is the NFL. Do they usually get that? Sometimes ... if they show they are getting better. Bryce is going to HAVE to make some plays with the garbage team he has. He's going to HAVE to drive the team downfield a lot. He's going to HAVE to show a spark. He does that, we can go ... ok, he might come around. Right now he's slightly better than Clausen. Who also was good in college btw.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Not the cerebral genius he was supposed to be and definitely not the playmaker they thought he’d be. It’s clear as day he’s never going to be able to extend plays with his legs in this league 

Take away those two things and what the hell is left?

A short Teddy B? Even that might be generous

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

When you draft a guy #1 overall he should be really special in some way. Bryce is not athletically gifted, hell he’s below average really. So he must have some amazing intangibles- like his unmeasurable qualities must really be so intangible we can’t see them…at all…I guess

North Carolina Thumbs Up GIF by Carolina Panthers

  • Pie 2
  • Flames 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Exactly what I was going to say. Brady seems to be taking a page out of Olsen's playbook, which is probably a good thing. They'll probably get around to giving Brady an Emmy one day, and he should thank Olsen for giving him the blueprint for success.
    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
×
×
  • Create New...