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Honestly I don't even blame Reich for this

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tukafan21 Grand Master

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Just now, HardcoreHokie said:

Not sure what the buyout is…but these days the best job in the world is a fired football coach. 

Don't think coaches have buyouts unless it's to leave for another job, which is generally a college thing.

NFL coaches who get fired get their full contract paid out I believe, and most college ones do unless the school is able to find ways around it, which they sometimes do.

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No good employer should ever have so many bad hires.

If an employer is constantly firing employees for performance issues, one of two things and only two things is going on.

1) you suck at hiring (you're to blame)

or

2) you hire well enough, but you suck at managing your hires (again, you're to blame).

Either way....you suck and you're to blame.

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6 minutes ago, Martin said:

I absolutely blame Frank. He has done nothing to adapt his stale system to fit the players we have. He’s done no changes or tried anything different. That is 100% his fault.

Multiple things can be true 

Frank is a bad HC

Fitterer is a bad GM

and we have both because Tepper largely hires bad people.  He doesn’t know what a good GM is.  He doesn’t know what a good HC is.  And a bad HC and bad GM clearly can’t work well with an involved owner. 

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9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Don't think coaches have buyouts unless it's to leave for another job, which is generally a college thing.

NFL coaches who get fired get their full contract paid out I believe, and most college ones do unless the school is able to find ways around it, which they sometimes do.

Same thing.  Buyout/payout the remainder of my multi-million dollar contract and I don’t have to do a thing for years.

Best gig out there.  Tepper can afford it.

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38 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Reich was probably brought into this with the idea of drafting his QB and picking his staff. He got the staff... but Tepper demanded Young. Reich caved. And now Young looks really bad, and Reich looks bad as a result.

The real problem here is Tepper. Reich isn't a great coach, but I don't think he's this bad. Every bit of our offseason lands on Tepper. The knives are going to start coming out once heads roll, and I think a lot of people are going to start talking about how this wasn't their choice once they lose their jobs.

Get rid of Fitts first. People gotta stand up to Tepper. 

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Multiple things can be true 

Frank is a bad HC

Fitterer is a bad GM

and we have both because Tepper largely hires bad people.  He doesn’t know what a good GM is.  He doesn’t know what a good HC is.  And a bad HC and bad GM clearly can’t work well with an involved owner. 

I agree. I just didn’t agree with the “I don’t blame Frank…” statement.

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Be prepared to keep that energy next season. I know I am.

Oh I don't even believe there will be a coaching or GM change next season. I think it's going to be an entire next season filed with what we are seeing this season and am prepared to keep laughing at the comedy of errors. All we can really do is approach it with some humor and just take it all light heartedly I guess.....? I don't know any other way to approach it. If I approach it disappointed it will be years before anything looks better and that would be depressing in itself. Just keep laughing and send the pain below is all I know to do unfortunately 

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48 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Reich was probably brought into this with the idea of drafting his QB and picking his staff. He got the staff... but Tepper demanded Young. Reich caved. And now Young looks really bad, and Reich looks bad as a result.

The real problem here is Tepper. Reich isn't a great coach, but I don't think he's this bad. Every bit of our offseason lands on Tepper. The knives are going to start coming out once heads roll, and I think a lot of people are going to start talking about how this wasn't their choice once they lose their jobs.

Wish you had this same energy for Wilks who was actually winning games!

 

Fug Frank he's worse than Rhule. I don't care about his sweet personality. This is a results business. He flat out sucks at coaching. 

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24 minutes ago, rayzor said:

No good employer should ever have so many bad hires.

If an employer is constantly firing employees for performance issues, one of two things and only two things is going on.

1) you suck at hiring (you're to blame)

or

2) you hire well enough, but you suck at managing your hires (again, you're to blame).

Either way....you suck and you're to blame.

There's also the soccer team, Tepper Sports and his other enterprises.

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We are 1-10. Even if Bryce was forced on Reich, what about the rest of the roster? He was here when our wide receiving corps was taking shape, for our awful draft, and for completely failing to adapt to the personnel on his roster. He’s failed in every aspect as a head coach this season and deserves to be fired regardless of the owner being an imbecile.

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