Tank vs Mingo

[AceBoogie]

Look I get it. Stroud and Young will be linked for the entirety of their careers. Stroud looks like the best rookie in a decade and Young has struggled in an offense devoid of talent. 

A lot of people here like to say I’m coping with my defense of young. I, like most rational people, just refuse to grade him until the situation around him improves. It is fair to say that he’s been underwhelming and has not elevated the team around him like he should be expected to do as a #1 overall pick. 

I would like us to move beyond the QBs for a moment. We took a WR in the 2nd round. The Texans took one in the 3rd. Just like Stroud vs Young, Mingo and Tank also appear as if we made the wrong decision there. 

Tank was a highly productive WR in college and Mingo appears to be a jag. Fast forward to the NFL and Tank’s production is showing up again, while Mingo again looks like a jag. You can blame Young for this, you can blame Frank, but that’s just what it is. 

I’m sure you can point out choices like this all over our roster. Fitt just simply hasn’t been able to build a roster that can compete with any consistency. Hopefully we move on from him in the offseason as well. 

[mrcompletely11]

this argument to me is funny, you recognize fitt sucks at scouting and drafting players but yet you are still 100% on board that he nailed the young pick.  Goddamn this logic

[travisura]

But is it Young that is making Mingo look like a JAG, or is he just a JAG? Or is it the offensive system that has stifled any ability for either player to make plays? Or is it all of the above? We've got a feedback loop at the moment where every individual piece of the system is sucking, and simultaneously causing other pieces to suck. It's a death spiral. 

We simply won't be able to evaluate anyone effectively until conditions change under a new staff. 

[AceBoogie]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

this argument to me is funny, you recognize fitt sucks at scouting and drafting players but yet you are still 100% on board that he nailed the young pick.  Goddamn this logic

Well it’s simple. I believed in Young before the pick was made. I never thought Mingo was anything special. Bryce would have been the pick no matter who was picking at 1.
 

But again you seem to be fascinated with Bryce for some strange reason. Can’t imagine what that could be. Maybe Mr. Completely not feeling so complete? 

[AceBoogie]

3 minutes ago, travisura said:

But is it Young that is making Mingo look like a JAG, or is he just a JAG? Or is it the offensive system that has stifled any ability for either player to make plays? Or is it all of the above? We've got a feedback loop at the moment where every individual piece of the system is sucking, and simultaneously causing other pieces to suck. It's a death spiral. 

We simply won't be able to evaluate anyone effectively until conditions change under a new staff. 

I mean Mingo was a jag in college. Bryce was not. 

[shaka]

Chart is not mine, found on reddit.  PFF grades so take with a grain of salt but...

 

Mingo gets poor separation and has some of the worst catch point & YAC in the league.  Actually all of our receivers that are not Adam Thielen have very poor separation. 

 

Tank is up there with some high performing WRs.  

Edited December 1, 2023 by shaka

[CLG]

Mingo is getting better, we will see how he ends up. But I will say, him not knowing where he is on the field at times is infuriating. That drop where he pretty much kept running through the sideline and swung his whole body around to attempt to catch it to drop it and be out of bounds at the same time…..
 

…I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it. I guess one could argue he thought Bryce would drop him a toe tapper leaning out of bounds but if he stops at the sideline on that and waits for the ball, he probably had 10 more yards up the field for a big play.

We can compare all we want but I’m exhausted of the comparisons between our players and others at this point. We have who we have, at least he’s shown some improvement. I’ll make my decision on him next year. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by CLG

[Ricky Spanish]

19 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

this argument to me is funny, you recognize fitt sucks at scouting and drafting players but yet you are still 100% on board that he nailed the young pick.  Goddamn this logic

At no point in the OP does he say he 100% believes fitt nailed the pick. He's saying it's too early to write him off. You're the one that comes into every one of these threads and removes all nuance from the discussion speaking in absolutes about the future of a rookie who hasn't even finished his first season.

You can be disappointed and still have hope he can turn it around when we get a competent offense in here. It is like a personal vendetta you have against Bryce and you want to be right at all costs so you can justify how miserable you are.

[CPF4LIFE]

19 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Well it’s simple. I believed in Young before the pick was made. I never thought Mingo was anything special. Bryce would have been the pick no matter who was picking at 1.
 

But again you seem to be fascinated with Bryce for some strange reason. Can’t imagine what that could be. Maybe Mr. Completely not feeling so complete? 

Wrong.

[CanadianCat]

3 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Wrong.

You guys love revisionist history. 

[carpanfan96]

I'm ok with the Mingo pick based on how the team is scouting with analytics.  I wish they weren't so analytics driven though. 

Bryce needs a good team around him, he isn't going to elevate anyone, the offense they want to run with him from Alabama needs all-pro's outside at skill positions.  

 

I don't get why he was the number 1 qb prospect.  All these things show up in his college tape. 

 

Bad footwork

Doesn't throw on time and goes off schedule too much when it isn't needed.  

Bad reading of blitzes and where he needs protection. 

Small and thin 

Arm strength average 

 

None of that screams number 1 pick. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

12 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

At no point in the OP does he say he 100% believes fitt nailed the pick. He's saying it's too early to write him off. You're the one that comes into every one of these threads and removes all nuance from the discussion speaking in absolutes about the future of a rookie who hasn't even finished his first season.

You can be disappointed and still have hope he can turn it around when we get a competent offense in here. It is like a personal vendetta you have against Bryce and you want to be right at all costs so you can justify how miserable you are.

Just best to ignore whatever that guy says. If he's not Carolina-chuck then he's a close relative or at the very least, his next door neighbor

[CPF4LIFE]

Just now, CanadianCat said:

You guys love revisionist history. 

This so funny coming from individuals who have done nothing but backtrack on Stroud narratives since the offseason. "Stroud is gonna struggle on that roster"

The irony is incredible.

[Coheed]

42 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

this argument to me is funny, you recognize fitt sucks at scouting and drafting players but yet you are still 100% on board that he nailed the young pick.  Goddamn this logic

How on earth do you read “refusing to make a judgement on him until the situation improves” and take “100% on board that he nailed the Young pick” out of it???????

 

Lmao this board 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Coheed