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McDermott reportedly wasn't the biggest fan of Cam

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3 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

? We got to be honest, Cam played with heart and the fans will always love him but he did NOT have Josh Allen level arm talent or understanding of the game. He always had kind of a slow clunky delivery, and never improved on his progressions. We ran kind of a simple power run/single read system during Cams 3 good years. He had the best defense in the league and a top 5 line those years too, we were essentially the Eagles. Allen’s team is all old and slow. 

First time i've ever heard someone say Cam didn't have an arm in his prime lol

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Cam had a game once where he passed for 5 TDs, rushed for 100 yards, and then led a walk off game winning drive.  And it was on the road in New York.

He did actual Super Man poo and more often than not hid the deficiencies around him.  The best it ever got for him in Carolina pre-TJ Watt were a couple seasons where he got to play behind an above average OL with maybe one or two great skill position players, and one of those years we went 15-1.

This reminds me of fans trying to poo talk Julius Peppers and Steve Smith as overrated after they walked.  You'd think with the poo pit we're in now where scoring 17 points on offense is rare people would have some perspective.

e: just imagine the circle jerks McD and Kelvin Benjamin must have had over how much Cam sucks and was holding him back lol

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4 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

? We got to be honest, Cam played with heart and the fans will always love him but he did NOT have Josh Allen level arm talent or understanding of the game. He always had kind of a slow clunky delivery, and never improved on his progressions. We ran kind of a simple power run/single read system during Cams 3 good years. He had the best defense in the league and a top 5 line those years too, we were essentially the Eagles. Allen’s team is all old and slow. 

Allen has weapons galore.

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2 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

I love Cam, the energy he brought to the team. But Cam only had 3 winning seasons in 11 years. We ran a vanilla offense for most of his time with us. He was never part of a top 10 offense bc he was limited as a QB, He was never a pin point accurate QB who could execute precision timing routes from a pocket. We leaned on our run game, and simple reads. He also wasn’t a player who would stick around after hours and grind tape, he had a life outside of football. Josh Allen never leaves the facility and runs Erhardt-Perkins, the most complex offense in the league, Same offense Brady and Manning ran. Cam would not be effective in that offense. This is coming from someone who has paid for his family to meet Cam before. Just very different QBs. 

Carolina had a top 10 offense 2011 and 2015.

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3 hours ago, BY9Franchise said:

Statistics tell a different story Josh Allen has a 5.6 YPC to CNs 5.0 higher single season rushing yards at 763 to 748 the only difference is he ran about 20 times less per season.....

 

He's Cams Equal as a runner and a much better passer.

Numbers don’t tell the whole story though. 
 

Perhaps, to be more precise, we could say Allen is as effective as a runner, but Cam is the more talented runner. 
 

The way Cam moves at 6’5” 250 looks way different than how Allen moves. 
 

Allen clearly is the better passer, but I do fantasize about an alternate reality where Chud stays and Cam is used more appropriately during his career. Cam was no slouch. 

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3 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Numbers don’t tell the whole story though. 
 

Perhaps, to be more precise, we could say Allen is as effective as a runner, but Cam is the more talented runner. 
 

The way Cam moves at 6’5” 250 looks way different than how Allen moves. 
 

Allen clearly is the better passer, but I do fantasize about an alternate reality where Chud stays and Cam is used more appropriately during his career. Cam was no slouch. 

If talent isn't as effective it's irrelevant, they have neck and neck rushing stats throughout including TDs...

You are basically saying Cam was a flashier runner albeit not more effective.... which is rather irrelevant..

 

Allen has had three seasons in a row now were he put up more TDs and yards  than Cams best 

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5 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

? We got to be honest, Cam played with heart and the fans will always love him but he did NOT have Josh Allen level arm talent or understanding of the game. He always had kind of a slow clunky delivery, and never improved on his progressions. We ran kind of a simple power run/single read system during Cams 3 good years. He had the best defense in the league and a top 5 line those years too, we were essentially the Eagles. Allen’s team is all old and slow. 

Post this from your main account instead of trying to drum up fake engagement. 

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3 hours ago, X-Clown said:

I still can’t believe this part of it…

 

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1732876971544088931?s=46&t=YYLxyS-jC1bMsd7uOg_6Ag

 

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Yeah - couldn’t believe it when I read it either. McDermott isn’t the guy you want making decisions in critical situations. And then you see this…Dunne said 7 different sources confirmed this lunacy. 

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