Interviews: Round Two

[Ship]

25 minutes ago, Growl said:

my concern is that Tepper loves the Seahawks and is tantalized by the idea of stacking a bunch of Seahawks background guys together (especially after the lack of uniformity in the last bloc was considered a primary contributor to it’s failure.)

why would Tepper love the Seahawks? The “forward thinking” grandstanding they’re known for. Scott Fitterer muttering something in his interview about Microsoft was part of the reason he got hired.

seattle fluked into a great coach and a great QB and they dragged a lot of stupid drafting and dumb trades along with them for the duration of their stint there but to an outsider it looks like “wow what a well ran team.” 

They drafted an elite defense

[mrcompletely11]

Why are we the only team interviewing Canales?  That seemed odd when I heard that this morning.  I am mean even seattle is saying nah.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why are we the only team interviewing Canales?  That seemed odd when I heard that this morning.  I am mean even seattle is saying nah.

Mr. Big Brain is thinking outside the box again.  Hiring a GM and coach no other team is even considering. 

[Samppson]

32 minutes ago, Growl said:

my concern is that Tepper loves the Seahawks and is tantalized by the idea of stacking a bunch of Seahawks background guys together (especially after the lack of uniformity in the last bloc was considered a primary contributor to it’s failure.)

why would Tepper love the Seahawks? The “forward thinking” grandstanding they’re known for. Scott Fitterer muttering something in his interview about Microsoft was part of the reason he got hired.

seattle fluked into a great coach and a great QB and they dragged a lot of stupid drafting and dumb trades along with them for the duration of their stint there but to an outsider it looks like “wow what a well ran team.” 

Yeah I dont think they are super well ran compared to others, I even put into question organizations that are considered well ran when they have one great QB, like say the Patriots, where I think most of it was attributed to one QB carrying them for awhile. The organizations like the Ravens, 49ers, Packers, Chiefs to me feel like the best run organizations, it seems like every year they are solid at worst, and no matter who's at QB they find a way to make it work and keep chugging along. Hell, the Packers are about to go from Fevre, to Rodgers, to Love, who probably isnt as good as the first two, but looks to be a guy you can build a team around and compete for a Superbowl.

Edited January 24, 2024 by Samppson

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Mr. Big Brain is thinking outside the box again.  Hiring a GM and coach no other team is even considering. 

Jesus just reading that gives me a bad feeling

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Why are we the only team interviewing Canales?  That seemed odd when I heard that this morning.  I am mean even seattle is saying nah.

I think Canales has done a good job as OC but one decent year as an OC seems like jumping the gun for a HC job. Then again, well qualified candidates with other options are likely gonna choose another option so we're left to consider the guys who will actually take the job.

[Tbe]

16 minutes ago, Samppson said:

Yeah I dont think they are super well ran compared to others, I even put into question organizations that are considered well ran when they have one great QB, like say the Patriots, where I think most of it was attributed to one QB carrying them for awhile. The organizations like the Ravens, 49ers, Packers, Chiefs to me feel like the best run organizations, it seems like every year they are solid at worst, and no matter who's at QB they find a way to make it work and keep chugging along. Hell, the Packers are about to go from Fevre, to Rodgers, to Love, who probably isnt as good as the first two, but looks to be a guy you can build a team around and compete for a Superbowl.

Here’s the thing. Love wouldn’t have made it with the vast majority of teams. I can’t think of any team that would have had the patience to develop that guy.

Most teams give up way too fast on QBs. See Goff and Baker…among others.

That’s why they are so well run. The packers error on cutting aging guys a year early and take their time developing key people.

They don’t make knee jerk “Tepper” decisions.

[UNCrules2187]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Canales has done a good job as OC but one decent year as an OC seems like jumping the gun for a HC job. Then again, well qualified candidates with other options are likely gonna choose another option so we're left to consider the guys who will actually take the job.

While I understand the sentiment, the reality is that HC hiring is a crapshoot. People clowned the Packers for hiring Matt LaFleur who spent one year as a non-playcalling OC for the Rams and then one year as a playcalling OC for the Titans who finished 27th in scoring offense in the one year he was there. He's 56-27 in his tenure. The Bengals were clowned for hiring Zac Taylor who only had one stint as an interim OC 4 years before he was hired and was most recently a QB coach under Sean McVay before being hired.

Just because a candidate meets some nebulous "qualified" threshold doesn't mean they will pan out as a success. If Canales is the hire, will he be a success? Who knows. But I don't think his odds of success are any different than Ben Johnson's (who btw is only in his second year as a playcalling OC and everyone wanted him last offseason when he also only had one year of experience as a playcalling OC).

Edited January 24, 2024 by UNCrules2187

[Steelo]

21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Canales has done a good job as OC but one decent year as an OC seems like jumping the gun for a HC job. Then again, well qualified candidates with other options are likely gonna choose another option so we're left to consider the guys who will actually take the job.

While I agree a year at OC is early, people are salivating over Slowik and he has had one year at OC as well.  Some teams want to get ahead of the hype I guess. Slowik/Canales are in the same boat for me tbh.

[Ricky Spanish]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Canales has done a good job as OC but one decent year as an OC seems like jumping the gun for a HC job. Then again, well qualified candidates with other options are likely gonna choose another option so we're left to consider the guys who will actually take the job.

I think if we are hiring Canales, we're hiring him for the culture more than anything.

By all accounts he seems to be a great communicator/motivator and that's something our last two coaches were not good at. Rhule was a charlatan and the players could see through his BS. Reich was a doormat. Canales seems to be cut from the same cloth as Pete Carroll in terms of communication, so that's probably what's enticing about him.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, UNCrules2187 said:

While I understand the sentiment, the reality is that HC hiring is a crapshoot. People clowned the Packers for hiring Matt LaFleur who spent one year as a non-playcalling OC for the Rams and then one year as a playcalling OC for the Titans who finished 27th in scoring offense in the one year he was there. He's 56-27 in his tenure. The Bengals were clowned for hiring Zac Taylor who only had one stint as an interim OC 4 years before he was hired and was most recently a QB coach under Sean McVay before being hired.

Just because a candidate meets some nebulous "qualified" threshold doesn't mean they will pan out as a success. If Canales is the hire, will he be a success? Who knows. But I don't think his odds of success are any different than Ben Johnson's (who btw is only in his second year as a playcalling OC and everyone wanted him last offseason when he also only had one year as a playcalling OC).

I've seen the results of David Tepper's hires so far. It doesn't leave me with any confidence that he'll get it right this time around.

[UNCrules2187]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I've seen the results of David Tepper's hires so far. It doesn't leave me with any confidence that he'll get it right this time around.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Jimmy Haslem went through Rob Chudzinski, Mike Pettine, Hue Jackson, Gregg Williams, and Freddie Kitchens before landing on Kevin Stefanski. Shad Khan went through Mike Mularkey, Gus Bradley, Doug Marrone, and Urban Meyer before getting Doug Pederson (and that's still a TBD IMO given this past season's flameout). Stephen Ross went through Tony Sparano, Joe Philbin, Adam Gase, and Brian Flores before getting Mike McDaniel. 

Tepper will get it right eventually just by sheer luck.

[Tr3ach]

36 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think Canales has done a good job as OC but one decent year as an OC seems like jumping the gun for a HC job. Then again, well qualified candidates with other options are likely gonna choose another option so we're left to consider the guys who will actually take the job.

Especially considering TB offense was in the bottom third of dvoa in the league which is what i judge coaches on.

[UNCrules2187]