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Why carolina can not* afford to lose Burns

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16 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

Gold says the number 1 thing the Panthers need to do to be successful is trade or let Burns go. He explains his thoughts and it mostly revolves around cap space and better use of the money available than overpaying Burns.

Exactly what I've been saying.  If this were Aaron Donald in his mid-twenties, you pay the man, but Burns is one-dimensional.  He's nonexistent in the run game, a liability even.  Even his pass rush success is streaky as heck.  He'll have a multi-sack game once or twice in a typical season, but has several games where he has little to no impact.

That's not a guy you break the bank re-signing.

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12 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Not get rid of, I’d prefer to keep them. But like jayboogie said no if the price is right offers should be entertained. The two off limits to me are Hubbard and Luvu. Brown & Moton could fall into that category too. 

I would keep Brown over anyone else on the defense.  He is a building block for the future.  A lot of the plays made behind him are due to him.  

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Yup we can’t afford to pay him he would take most of the cap that’s free this year trade him for a first or a 2nd. we could have two 1st round quality offensive linemen in the 2 nd round this draft is deep in areas we need 

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21 minutes ago, CRA said:

you can find a Hubbard or even a better version of him in rounds 4-6.  Teams do it every year. 

And thus little reason he would be a trade block candidate. Offering consistency to a new coach is a good thing. 

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3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

And thus little reason he would be a trade block candidate. Offering consistency to a new coach is a good thing. 

that Miles Sanders deal IMO screws the backfield for 2024.

I still think we have a big hole in our backfield given Bryce Young is the QB.   We lack a true passing down RB.   Which should be mandatory for a QB like Bryce Young.  

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42 minutes ago, CRA said:

that Miles Sanders deal IMO screws the backfield for 2024.

I still think we have a big hole in our backfield given Bryce Young is the QB.   We lack a true passing down RB.   Which should be mandatory for a QB like Bryce Young.  

Ya, either the new coaches need to figure out how to use him properly or we need to figure out how to offload him. 

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46 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Ya, either the new coaches need to figure out how to use him properly or we need to figure out how to offload him. 

Miles Sanders is an early down runner.  That's the problem.  We added a different version of Hubbard.  I mean, Hubbard at least has improved as a passing down RB some but neither of them are natural passing down RBs. Sanders has always been really bad in that role....which people didn't' want to hear when we overpaid him.    Which is just something you can easily add to a roster.  Not trying to force guys a half decade into their NFL careers to be good at it. 

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At the end of the day, pass rushers are one of the most valued assets in the league after QB.  

That being said, I can't imagine he wants to be here, reports aside.  If he really did, something would have been worked out last July when we gave him the initial offer to jumpstart talks.

There's plenty of teams willing to pay for his services.  

3 paths here (correct me if you think I'm wrong):

  • The Peppers: He doesn't sign a deal, we don't tag him, he signs elsewhere, we receive comps (hopefully, eventually)
  • The Trade: He doesn't sign a deal, we tag him, we trade him at some point
  • The Unlikely: He signs/stays on with a new contract

I feel like we just have to do what we can to get something in return.  It will probably end up a 2nd/4th type combo.  

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2 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

At the end of the day, pass rushers are one of the most valued assets in the league after QB.  

That being said, I can't imagine he wants to be here, reports aside.  If he really did, something would have been worked out last July when we gave him the initial offer to jumpstart talks.

There's plenty of teams willing to pay for his services.  

3 paths here (correct me if you think I'm wrong):

  • The Peppers: He doesn't sign a deal, we don't tag him, he signs elsewhere, we receive comps (hopefully, eventually)
  • The Trade: He doesn't sign a deal, we tag him, we trade him at some point
  • The Unlikely: He signs/stays on with a new contract

I feel like we just have to do what we can to get something in return.  It will probably end up a 2nd/4th type combo.  

I'm hoping we can get either a 2nd this year and future 2nd or 3rd. 

Or maybe a player and later pick. If Cinci would be willing to trade Higgins and a 3rd or 4th this year it would be enticing.  Getting Higgins would open up that 33 pick for something other than WR.  Maybe a pass rusher.  

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Solomon Wilcots was on Locked On Panthers this week, and it was an interesting segment.

The big points are: 1. Don't waste a dude's time.  2. Score points to save your job.

So with Burns, we have a 26 year old pass rusher who is respected in the NFL.  There's value there.  It's about time to trade him to a contender.  We're not winning any time soon, and the assets can be used to improve the offense.

By scoring points, you'll get fans in the seats.  The NFL is an offensive league.  You can maintain interest with a good offense.

I can really see those points.  Though I hate the idea of sending MORE good players to other places to find success.  What do the Panthers do if they trade Burns, or Brown, or any other defensive piece?  You can only add so many pieces.  To me, there's a tremendous amount of scary in trading our best players on D for unproven rookies.

With the lack of news about Evero, I'm starting to get concerned that he's leaving as well.  Lord, then what?  The defense would have to be rebuilt as well.  Or heck, maybe it's time to just rip the bandaid off..  Fire sale the defense, get what we can, and call it.

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      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

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