The CAP is now $255.4 MILLION….. now pay Burns, Brown, Luvu and let’s get this ship righted

[Panther0221]

That's how you fix a 2-15 team... Pay big money for guys who contributed to the reason you went 2-15!

Everyone here is seriously wanting to pay $30 Million for a guy who admitted to the media he was playing not to get hurt.

It's not an issue of talent, the culture in this locker room sucks. The "Cornerstones" of this locker room need to be traded. The guy showing the most effort at the end of the season was retirement home Adam Thielen. 

Spend that $30 million and go get guys who have real playoff experience who can help this locker room.

Edit:Is there any statistics that show people getting these max contracts (outside of QB) and it actually being worth what was paid? Every sport I've ever watched, 2-3 years in the team fanbases are always complaining about the contract.

Edited February 23 by Panther0221

[RJK]

1 minute ago, Panther0221 said:

That's how you fix a 2-15 team... Pay big money for guys who contributed to the reason you went 2-15!

Everyone here is seriously wanting to pay $30 Million for a guy who admitted to the media he was playing not to get hurt.

It's not an issue of talent, the culture in this locker room sucks. The "Cornerstones" of this locker room need to be traded. The guy showing the most effort at the end of the season was retirement home Adam Thielen. 

Spend that $30 million and go get guys who have real playoff experience who can help this locker room.

Careful people out of arguments will accuse u of never having played sports as if it’s not a played out internet message board response by people out of arguments lol 

100% agree. Nobody on this roster deserves to be vastly overpaid. would just be another mistake in the long list made by the panthers since tepper got here 

[Panther0221]

Just now, RJK said:

Careful people out of arguments will accuse u of never having played sports as if it’s not a played out internet message board response by people out of arguments lol 

100% agree. Nobody on this roster deserves to be vastly overpaid. would just be another mistake in the long list made by the panthers since tepper got here 

Even if you decide to pay him. It's stupid to give him the max contract when he has no bargaining power with the tag. He can sit out all day, but the team can also trade him with the tag, or they can make sure he isn't getting anywhere near the contract he wants until 2025 after teams spend their FA money. 

The team will probably screw it up like they did in 2016 with Josh Norman

[jb2288]

Yeah the cap going up changes my opinion on this. I’ve always looked at it as a percentage… if 28M per year (no incentives just salary) is the same % wise now as it was 3 days ago at 23M then pay Burns. 

[frankw]

I've gone back and forth on Burns for the last few months. At the end of the day no matter which side I fall into one aspect that does not change is all this feels eerily familiar to the discussions we had about both Christian McCaffrey and DJ Moore. Remember that at one point even Derrick Brown was talked about the way Brian Burns is now. I put the odds at 85% that if he is traded to a good franchise he experiences a career resurgence and we see a lot of tunes change here about him and folks act like they didn't want to trade him.

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I mean I remember Peppers being in the MVP talks as a defensive end. Running backs were a little more likely back then but it has always been an offensive back award. 

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

50 minutes ago, Panther0221 said:

That's how you fix a 2-15 team... Pay big money for guys who contributed to the reason you went 2-15!

Everyone here is seriously wanting to pay $30 Million for a guy who admitted to the media he was playing not to get hurt.

It's not an issue of talent, the culture in this locker room sucks. The "Cornerstones" of this locker room need to be traded. The guy showing the most effort at the end of the season was retirement home Adam Thielen. 

Spend that $30 million and go get guys who have real playoff experience who can help this locker room.

Edit:Is there any statistics that show people getting these max contracts (outside of QB) and it actually being worth what was paid? Every sport I've ever watched, 2-3 years in the team fanbases are always complaining about the contract.

Last Off Season I was falling on the side of just pay the man but after this season I really hope they dont open up the pocket book and give him  a max contract.  Last season there were times I forgot he was even playing.   If a guy is worthy of a max contract fans dont forget said player is on the field.

[rayzor]

Spending more than something is worth just because you have more money is stupid.

 

[jayboogieman]

Haven't watched, so don't have cliff notes for anyone

[Panther0221]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

I've gone back and forth on Burns for the last few months. At the end of the day no matter which side I fall into one aspect that does not change is all this feels eerily familiar to the discussions we had about both Christian McCaffrey and DJ Moore. Remember that at one point even Derrick Brown was talked about the way Brian Burns is now. I put the odds at 85% that if he is traded to a good franchise he experiences a career resurgence and we see a lot of tunes change here about him and folks act like they didn't want to trade him.

That's the entire point. Our culture sucks and nothing is pushing our players to be the best they can be. Our coaches should've pulled Burns ass out of the game the first time it was apparent he was holding back. 

If we pay Burns, we tell everyone in that locker room they can slack off on their contract year and get PAID.

[Aussie Tank]

That’s how people who win the lotto go broke over paying for things. Burns is the definition of overpaying for something at 30 mill a year 

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The 2001 roster was probably about as bad, and yet we kept a number of players from it and ended up in the Superbowl two years later.  

We had a bad team this year, but we shouldn't throw away every one just because we had a bad team.  

Fair point.  I looked for the list and it is hard to compare, but I am not sure we should overpay.  In the past few years, there have been some bargains in free agency.  With this cap raise, I have no idea how the market will react.  I would not overpay for Burns, but I am not dismissing him either.  He is what, 24 or 25?  Lotta upside.  I'd pay $25m.  Why would I make Brown one of the highest paid DTs in the NFL?  He is good, and he never comes off the field.  That is a roster spot he is saving, salary wise.  Luvu?  Everyone loves his story, but in the NFL, he is not elite.  I would love to keep him.  So I do not see how resigning all three "rights the ship."  It will be interesting to see what they do. 

[rayzor]

2 hours ago, Panther0221 said:

Spend that $30 million and go get guys who have real playoff experience who can help this locker room.

Yes. That money will be spent.

Let it be spent on those who know what it is to be competitive at a high level and let them bring an attitude and work ethic and experience that the young guys can learn from.

Let it be spent on players who help build the type of culture you want for this team. Those who will fight and who make those around them better.

Blowing it on a guy who has all the tools, but who only brings it on occasion and who obviously just doesn't have that dawg in him would keep us stuck in the same rut of blah we've been on.

Paying him would send a horrible message to the other players that we don't expect the best from you. We just want you to show up and we'll pay you for what you might be capable of without expecting you to actually perform at a consistent high and competitive level.

[MHS831]

I am expecting to see one or two of the following moves:

Tag and trade Burns.  In a contract year, he was not great.  Is he a one-trick pony?  A luxury for a ring chasing team.

Trade Theilen.  Hard sell because the draft is so loaded, but there are teams who could use a third WR who can grab 100 balls.

Pay Brown top DT money.  He is versatile, great, and he never leaves the field.  Worth 1.5 salaries.

Luvu gets a raise -he is a good  LB-- but he is not great.