Wonnum to Panthers

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Here's the most recent charts if anyone wants them.

Clowney. 

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Krovvy said:

Here, I'll just post what they're talking about.

 

He's no Burns. 

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Where do you recall seeing those stats? 

Pff has them in their breakdown and has him with a 55 rush grade. Burns was a 75 rush grade. Similar rush defense grades. 
 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-edge-defenders

 

the other stats are from a Vikings free agency outlook breakdown

 

hea considered a 3rd down only pass rush rotational player. He shouldn’t be starting at all and should be at least your 3rd de

Edited March 15, 2024 by carpanfan96

[Luciu5]

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

 

 

 

3 hours ago, rayzor said:

 

 

Don't know if it's been asked, but what are their snap counts? Similar?

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

You guys just see 8 sacks and think he’s like that. He’s not 

Exactly. He's somebody that plays the position that might get a sack if playing with someone else that's really applying pressure. 

[ECHornet]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Pff has them in their breakdown and has him with a 55 rush grade. Burns was a 75 rush grade. Similar rush defense grades. 
 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-nfl-free-agency-rankings-edge-defenders

 

the other stats are from a Vikings free agency outlook breakdown

Those stats account for the last two years. Burns was much better two years ago (most likely effort related), while Wonnum had a worse year in 2022. 
 

They graded Burns 20 points higher at pass rushing and Wonnum 9 points higher at rush defense over that two year period. 

No one is saying Wonnum is of equal talent to Burns. But he’ll put up 55%+ of Burns pass rush production and likely better rush defense for ~30% cost. 
 

 

[Jackie Lee]

The #Panthers FO was right to cut the three vets and avoid the post-June 1 spreading. They have also been smart about either A) signing young vets off their rookie deals or B) signing vets under 30 with connections to the staff. Johnson trade was an obvious flier/outlier with low risk/high reward applications that was justified by opportunity cost. Clowney would obviously be a price and age outlier, too (though he was in Seattle with most of the staff on offense). But the idea of upside or system understanding over simply filling holes with descending talent is evident. Morgan and Tilis are off to a logical, and seemingly thoughtful, start.

[52Beast]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

He's Lamar Lathon not Kevin Greene

Or Mike Rucker and we pick up Pep 2.0 next year 

[KBRed]

20 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Exactly. He's somebody that plays the position that might get a sack if playing with someone else that's really applying pressure. 

Like…I dunno…a monster like Derrick Brown. 

[csx]

34 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He's no Burns. 

Burns wins the snap but can't finish as many have been saying.

[carpanfan96]

22 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Those stats account for the last two years. Burns was much better two years ago (most likely effort related), while Wonnum had a worse year in 2022. 
 

They graded Burns 20 points higher at pass rushing and Wonnum 9 points higher at rush defense over that two year period. 

No one is saying Wonnum is of equal talent to Burns. But he’ll put up 55%+ of Burns pass rush production and likely better rush defense for ~30% cost. 
 

 

The 6.7 and the 9 for win rate and pass rush success was from this past season for DJ. Just this past season. He was ranked 43rd out of 51 pass rushers with 300 rush attempts. 
 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/dj-wonnum-extension-danielle-hunter-davenport/amp/

Edited March 15, 2024 by carpanfan96

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, KBRed said:

Like…I dunno…a monster like Derrick Brown. 

Well, he had an 11% pressure win rate. That ranks him 20th for DTs (and he was playing with Spiderman). Brown made his lunch money during the run last season, but he's no pushover against the pass for a DT. I think it's going to take someone who can generate more pressure on the other side to have a viable pass rush 

[Jackie Lee]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, he had an 11% pressure win rate. That ranks him 20th for DTs (and he was playing with Spiderman). Brown made his lunch money during the run last season, but he's no pushover against the pass for a DT. I think it's going to take someone who can generate more pressure on the other side to have a viable pass rush 

And who was beside DB most the season? I barely watched lol. Tuttle? A'Shawn should be a little upgrade to what he was working with inside last season

[Bear Hands]

Great pickup with long term potential. 

This is the type of FA surprising to see come here ha — all for it

He needs to become a bit more consistent as a pass rusher but he has strong spurts