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2024 NFL Draft: Rounds 2 & 3


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Just now, frankw said:

It's interesting seeing some of the same folks screaming at the top of their lungs at others in gameday threads last year that the OL was why Bryce Young struggled so badly are now mocking others for wanting to solidify the center position.

We will see that again this season

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2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Adonai Mitchell is going to be very good in Steichen’s offense. He made a lot of plays for Texas last year. More polished route runner than Legette by a thousand times. Panthers make the wrong pick again. 

And gave up 2 picks for them to take him.

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3 minutes ago, Growl said:

there’s the issue, this isn’t the way the draft works. 
your approach is confined to “well I just wanna get a good player bro”

but that’s not the way teams draft.

you have to deploy assets relative to value. Quality center play can be bought for cheap at anytime. You can’t just go out and buy high end touchdown scorers or quarterback sackers without making a massive investment-except for the draft. Setting a pick on fire to take a center (and then probably having to overpay him in his second contract because of pedigree) may make fans feel good because they don’t have to worry about getting a BUST but you’re not building a sustained championship caliber roster that way. 

 

My point is if you wa t BY to have a chance and you want to solidfy your offensive line into a dominant group, picking the strongest center in the draft when its a glaring area of need is a simple choice.

RB is the least valued position for a reason. Late round picks and UDFAs are becoming 1000 yard rushers.  You don't need to spend a 2nd round pick on a guy who's never going to play past 30 or see a 2nd contract. Teams let overpaid RBs walk for a reason and draft new ones. It's the throw away position in the NFL. 

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Maybe they thought Frazier was too tall at 6'3"??

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Frazier is a four-year starter and three-time team captain who played center and guard at West Virginia. He was a four-time heavyweight wrestling champion in high school, and he's tough to beat once he locks onto defenders with his big hands. He has the quickness to reach and seal defenders on zone runs. Frazier has a nasty disposition and good finishing power. He gets set quickly, has a strong punch and anchors well in pass protection. -- Steve Muench

Idk, I would rather have that and then Benson in the 3rd if you reeeealy need a RB than what this bad alternative is.

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