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ARTICLE: Rams paid a big price in trade with Panthers to move up 13 spots for Braden Fiske

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2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

This is getting overlooked IMO. It was a great trade and we still got the player we wanted in Brooks. It’s nice to be on this side of a trade for once…

This is why I say that Dan Morgan did his job. People are saying this draft was the same ol’ Panthers under Tepper but it really felt different taking it in, including the process. To me, it seems like Tepper let go of the reigns and let the football people he pays millions for do their job. 
 

I don’t mind Tepper having input, but he’s a fan, like the rest of us. He may have some preferences and may even get some poo right, but let the people who have been doing this their entire professional lives handle evaluations, contracts, and the like. 

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9 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

This is why I say that Dan Morgan did his job. People are saying this draft was the same ol’ Panthers under Tepper but it really felt different taking it in, including the process. To me, it seems like Tepper let go of the reigns and let the football people he pays millions for do their job. 
 

I don’t mind Tepper having input, but he’s a fan, like the rest of us. He may have some preferences and may even get some poo right, but let the people who have been doing this their entire professional lives handle evaluations, contracts, and the like. 

It was kind of a sexy draft, and you really didn't even have to get drunk to realize it.

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the Rams don't give a rip about draft picks. 

this draft aside, McVay has never had a 1st round pick in his career and paired that with missing his 2nd a couple years on top of no 1st.  They got 2 NFC Championships and Super Bowl during that window.   Under valuing them has at least worked for them overall. 

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20 minutes ago, CRA said:

the Rams don't give a rip about draft picks. 

this draft aside, McVay has never had a 1st round pick in his career and paired with that with missing his 2nd a couple years on top of no 1st.  They got 2 NFC Championships and Super Bowl during that window.   Under valuing them has at least worked for them overall. 

It is crazy how they don’t care at all about high draft picks and have been successful. 

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1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

This is why I say that Dan Morgan did his job. People are saying this draft was the same ol’ Panthers under Tepper but it really felt different taking it in, including the process. To me, it seems like Tepper let go of the reigns and let the football people he pays millions for do their job. 
 

I don’t mind Tepper having input, but he’s a fan, like the rest of us. He may have some preferences and may even get some poo right, but let the people who have been doing this their entire professional lives handle evaluations, contracts, and the like. 

It felt exactly like the 2021 draft to me, and even the positions selected were almost exactly the same. Time will tell of course but it was certainly not anything all that different

26 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

It is crazy how they don’t care at all about high draft picks and have been successful. 

They've hit on their lower picks and been trading their 1sts for proven star vets. It would be a different story if their later picks weren't working and not every team could pull it off, but they've worked it for sure. 

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23 minutes ago, Johnstonny said:

...I mean where is Fitt now.....NOT IN THE NFL!

He's laying low somewhere praying Young becomes the next Russell Wilson, just like he knew he would be. Had to be the only reason he had a boner for him.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

the Rams don't give a rip about draft picks. 

this draft aside, McVay has never had a 1st round pick in his career and paired that with missing his 2nd a couple years on top of no 1st.  They got 2 NFC Championships and Super Bowl during that window.   Under valuing them has at least worked for them overall. 

Yes, but also, their best player the last few year was drafted: Aaron Donald 

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8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's laying low somewhere praying Young becomes the next Russell Wilson, just like he knew he would be. Had to be the only reason he had a boner for him.

Just another Dipper snow job. You'd think we lived in Denver..

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Here is how it breaks down:

Rams trade us pick 52 (380 pts) and pick 152 (29.8--- 30 points rounded, totaling 410 points) for pick 39 (510) points. So basically, the 2024 draft trade was Rams give us 410 points for 510 points--a difference of 100 points.

Panthers give Rams 510 points.

Rams give Panthers 410 points (2nd and 5th) in 2024

  • If the Rams win the Super Bowl in 2024, they would still give the Panthers the 64th pick, or 270 points.  Worst case scenario for the Panthers is the get a total of 680 points of value for the 510 points they gave the Rams.  The difference is 170 points. 
  • If the Rams finish 2024 like they did 2023, the Panthers will receive 380 points in 2025.  That means the Panthers get about 790 points for 510 points, a difference of 280 points.  
  • If the Rams have the worst record in the NFL in 2024, they would give the Panthers 580 more points than the 410 already given--990 total points for a 510 point pick value.  The difference is 440 points. 

But you have to remember, future draft picks have a value of one round less than the current draft year.  It is like an investment of a 2024 third rounder that will mature into a second rounder in a year.  So if you want to see how much we bested the Rams, you have to take that into consideration.  

If you want to do that, then you have to weigh the trade using a current third rounder and not a second rounder. 

  • Panthers:  510 points for pick 39
  • Rams:  600 points:  380 points for 2024 pick 52 and 30 points for pick 152.  Third round value in 2024:  190 points.

That is the equivalent of having the Rams throw in an additional early fourth round selection on top of the deal.  So it depends on how you look at it--to me, getting the 2025 second rounder was so important, I might have agreed to much less to get it. 

 

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17 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Here is how it breaks down:

Rams trade us pick 52 (380 pts) and pick 152 (29.8--- 30 points rounded, totaling 410 points) for pick 39 (510) points. So basically, the 2024 draft trade was Rams give us 410 points for 510 points--a difference of 100 points.

Panthers give Rams 510 points.

Rams give Panthers 410 points (2nd and 5th) in 2024

  • If the Rams win the Super Bowl in 2024, they would still give the Panthers the 64th pick, or 270 points.  Worst case scenario for the Panthers is the get a total of 680 points of value for the 510 points they gave the Rams.  The difference is 170 points. 
  • If the Rams finish 2024 like they did 2023, the Panthers will receive 380 points in 2025.  That means the Panthers get about 790 points for 510 points, a difference of 280 points.  
  • If the Rams have the worst record in the NFL in 2024, they would give the Panthers 580 more points than the 410 already given--990 total points for a 510 point pick value.  The difference is 440 points. 

But you have to remember, future draft picks have a value of one round less than the current draft year.  It is like an investment of a 2024 third rounder that will mature into a second rounder in a year.  So if you want to see how much we bested the Rams, you have to take that into consideration.  

If you want to do that, then you have to weigh the trade using a current third rounder and not a second rounder. 

  • Panthers:  510 points for pick 39
  • Rams:  600 points:  380 points for 2024 pick 52 and 30 points for pick 152.  Third round value in 2024:  190 points.

That is the equivalent of having the Rams throw in an additional early fourth round selection on top of the deal.  So it depends on how you look at it--to me, getting the 2025 second rounder was so important, I might have agreed to much less to get it. 

 

this is such a bullshit rationale that is fed from GM's.  A future second is worth exactly a future 2nd for a franchise.  It may not be apples to apples in regards to gm as they may not be choosing.  But there is no negative value assign for trading picks in the future.  It makes no sense to try and devalue.  If so then you would see the adverse affect in play

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    • tukafan21
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Oh good lord Interest doesn't mean interest in making a bad trade to take the player, that's why I had such a long post, to accurately describe why those are two different things, but you don't like to listen to that stuff.  Being interested in a player doesn't live in a vacuum. It's very simple... there isn't a #1 draft pick type of grade on any of these QB's, if there was, we'd just take them.  You can't bluff a pick everyone knows you won't make, and trying to trade the pick is the CLEAR signal that you're not taking the QB. Just because the Raiders would have interest, doesn't mean they're going to bail us out of a situation we don't want to be in, they'd be smart about it and just sit put, let us take a non QB as we'd be telling the world we're not taking one just by trying to trade the pick, and then they'd take him at #2 (either with their own pick or by trading less to get that one). Oh, and your point of "if nobody is willing to make the trade, you obviously just take the best QB" is quite literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. If nobody is willing to trade up to take the QB, then it's OBVIOUS that the QB isn't worth taking with that pick, so OBVIOUSLY taking the best QB there is just OBVIOUSLY stupid and a bad pick. The moral of it is if there is a QB worth taking, we're taking them and not making the trade.  If there isn't a QB worth taking there, nobody is trading up to #1 to take one, we just showed the NFL how bad of an idea that is 2 years ago, it's really not hard to see. You keep making up this mythical situation where there is a QB who has shown to be worth trading up to #1 for and we'll be able to leverage that into a trade.  But we're the most QB needy team in the league, if we end up with the #1 pick, either we are taking a QB #1 or no QB is going #1 unless we get VERY lucky and two teams in the Top 5 fall in love with one prospect and we can play them off each other and fleece one of them. But again, I can't see that happening, as if there was a QB worthy of that, we're just taking him ourselves.
    • CamWhoaaCam
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      Sanders is with Tom Brady brand and that's his mentor. The Raiders owner was with Sanders taking pics at a Vegas game together.   It doesn't take much to connect the dots that Vegas will be interested in Sanders as their franchise QB. Oh yeah and guess who hasa small ownership stake in the Raiders Tom Brady.   I guess this is just another made up Madden idea by me huh?
    • CamWhoaaCam
      With the first pick, don't draft a QB? Draft a DE? C'mon!

      By CamWhoaaCam · Posted

      Bro I don't mind debating you, but did you really have to write all that to get your point across.   This isn't Madden. If you have the #1 pick you literally control your own destiny. If nobody wants to trade which I have a hard time believing they won't then you obviously take the best QB.   I think we will have suitors. If that's Madden then so be it.
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