Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Preseason Wk 3 Bryce QB School


ChuckWag78
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

No matter how much yall say this it doesn't make it true. Yall also said he would struggle going to a team that was technically worse than the panthers the year before and that didn't happen. If Reich system was more of a fit for Stroud like everybody says how is it a guarantee he wouldnt succeed? The math still doesn't make sense.

Sure the system may have been more suited to him. The line still couldn’t block and the receivers still couldn’t get open. The Texans had the complete opposite I saw clean pockets and receivers open by miles. 

  • Pie 2
  • Flames 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

No matter how much yall say this it doesn't make it true. Yall also said he would struggle going to a team that was technically worse than the panthers the year before and that didn't happen. If Reich system was more of a fit for Stroud like everybody says how is it a guarantee he wouldnt succeed? The math still doesn't make sense.

Because Reich's scheme was a net negative of 2.

So if Bryce is worth only 1 and CJ is worth 2,

Bryce is 1+-2=-1

CJ is 2+-2 =0.

0 is better than -1 but it's still 0.

people jim GIF

Also the line sucked and the receivers weren't open. His weapons and protection were all way better. Fitterer and co sold us fools gold last offseason.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The people continuously dumping all of our problems on the OL and WR last year simply didn’t watch much

Stroud might’ve not led this team to the playoffs last year but he damn sure would’ve had us playing a lot more competitive football. Stroud is truly special.

Stroud is also much better at extending plays than Bryce is

Edited by *FreeFua*
  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

The people continuously dumping all of our problems on the OL and WR last year simply didn’t watch much

Stroud might’ve not led this team to the playoffs last year but he damn sure would’ve had us playing a lot more competitive football. Stroud is truly special.

Stroud is also much better at extending plays than Bryce is

Coaching too 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

 

I'm not really a Bryce Young fan, but to be fair, this wasn't the best example of him missing a deep shot opportunity. The play design was set up for a half-field read to the right, and if the first or second read is wide open, that's where the ball is going. His field of vision wouldn't naturally shift to the other side unless those primary options were shut down. 

I 100% agree that Bryce Young still needs to prove he'll take those deep shots when they’re there, but in this particular case, he executed as designed.

Now that it’s on film, Canales might consider making that a more primary read if the same look comes up again, and we'll see if Young takes the touchdown next time.

But in this instance, it was clear Young or most QBs would be instructed not to look for it since it's not within his half field first few options + goal is always getting the ball out as soon as can be when decent opportunities present themselves.

 

These are all the same points that I made about the play and I never knocked not throwing to Johnson either. No disagreement. The concept itself, however, is used to open up the deep cross as much as the underneath, and the read is the safety as much as either of the receivers. That's the whole point - the decision is likely made based on the safety and coverage, and if the pre-snap coverage shows to be advantageous to the cross then there are QBs that will lean that way over the shorter ball if it unfolds and that doing so is the type of capability that wins games.

Again, as far as Bryce goes, IMO the question isn't so much of he can be an NFL QB of any caliber. It's if he can be the elite QB his price tag and draft status aligns with, the type that teams need to win Super Bowls in today's NFL. Those QBs are the guys that turn this type of play into a TD. Interesting to see this unfold and only time will tell.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

No matter how much yall say this it doesn't make it true. Yall also said he would struggle going to a team that was technically worse than the panthers the year before and that didn't happen. If Reich system was more of a fit for Stroud like everybody says how is it a guarantee he wouldnt succeed? The math still doesn't make sense.

Having CJ wouldn’t have made the OL or receivers good. Pretty simple. Notice how 2 of the worst poo the bed ruin the play moments from this film breakdown were last years players attempting to work together? Zavala and Ickey doing god knows what leading to pressure in the QBs face and Mingo and Theilen destroying a concept. What math do you need?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, *FreeFua* said:

The people continuously dumping all of our problems on the OL and WR last year simply didn’t watch much

Stroud might’ve not led this team to the playoffs last year but he damn sure would’ve had us playing a lot more competitive football. Stroud is truly special.

Stroud is also much better at extending plays than Bryce is

IMG_6303.thumb.png.f9ce9059d714cf96f48d0e4f1c0b2ddd.png
 

Yep, nobody watched this poo every week. And we’re imagining having the lowest rated guard in the league. And also our LT having the 3rd most false starts in the league is clearly a made up stat. I’m sure cutting our starting center right after handing him a big contract had nothing to do with him being terrible. This is where you lose all illusion of being objective.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

Stroud would not of succeeded here last year either 

We don’t know anything really, though I will grant the assumption we wouldn’t have made the playoffs.

Do you think they would have felt they had to change the offense three times for him?

I will grant myself the assumption of no, and that we would have been much better off. 
 

 

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Having CJ wouldn’t have made the OL or receivers good. Pretty simple. Notice how 2 of the worst poo the bed ruin the play moments from this film breakdown were last years players attempting to work together? Zavala and Ickey doing god knows what leading to pressure in the QBs face and Mingo and Theilen destroying a concept. What math do you need?

Spoken like someone who truly did not pay attention to the texans last year to make a fair assessment. Let me educate you. You do understand the texans wr and ol were technically were never healthy last year? The o line fluctuated arguably more than the panthers. Tunsil there best guy missed significant time. Stroud took as many sacks as bryce the first half of the season and finished top 10 in sacks taken and if you add the 2 games he missed it's probably more than that. Let's also highlight the texans pretty much had no run game all year compared to the panthers who had to use the run just to move the ball. If you REMEMBER (because i know you dont) the knock on stroud was that he wasn't mobile enough to avoid pressure but actually he did just that a lot last year which also kept sack number from being even higher and HELPING his o line. Far as the receivers go, you couldn't even name a receiver on that squad coming into the season. Nobody said a word about collins prior to last year, hell...TMJr had MORE yards than he did the year before last. The guy was unknown, and when he and the other starters got hurt late in the season. Guess what? Here comes Noah brown who had almost 400 yds in the span of 3 games. Of course you gonna do the simple minded thing and tell me that's coaching but the reality is bobby slowik is not some guru. He has been a defensive coach most of his tenure in the league and never was a OC till last year. You can make a case he was only hired cuz him & Ryan's were on niners staff previous year. Thats a first year HC and a first year OC. Stroud was the one making fast reads, getting the ball out quick and showing outstanding ball placement that no other qb was doing. The point is Stroud doesn't get enough credit for being everything a franchise QB is supposed to be. He elevates the guys around him and covers up the flaws, his playstyle isn't so demanding where you need top tier talent, execution, & coaching experience around him just for him to look competent. I could keep going on this topic but this schooling shouldn't need to be this long.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Stroud would have probably played better here, but not as good as he did in Houston. His OC is from the Shanny tree and had full control of the offense. Even Stroud will tell you his situation was better, in fact he did. 
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/07/c-j-stroud-passionately-defends-panthers-bryce-young-after-woeful-rookie-season#:~:text=You can't make a,comparison to that of Stroud's.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Stroud would have probably played better here, but not as good as he did in Houston. His OC is from the Shanny tree and had full control of the offense. Even Stroud will tell you his situation was better, in fact he did. 
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/07/c-j-stroud-passionately-defends-panthers-bryce-young-after-woeful-rookie-season#:~:text=You can't make a,comparison to that of Stroud's.

 

Slowik >> Ben Johnson 

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Slowik is legit. I wish we gave him a stronger look. Slowik, Stroud, and Ryans gave them a freaking amazing offseason. 

That flip job was one of the most impressive you'll find historically.  Also, the draft picks they've landed have been money, beyond just Stroud.

Stingley, Pitre, Dell, Nico, Scruggs, Harris, Anderson.  Difference makers at every phase of the game.  

But at the end of the day, the coaching & QB combination elevates all and they found guys who do just that.

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • It all sounds great. The only unknowns are injuries and how they will need to be addressed. Horn has a history as does the newly added Jaelen Phillips and Cooker has yet to play an entire season as well. And then there are the Ikey's - totally unexpecteded injuries that put a major wrench in your plans. I do think its a great plan though.
    • If we pay Bryce like a franchise QB we're completely and utterly buttfuged.
    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
×
×
  • Create New...