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CBS Sports: Daniel Jones as a potential option for the Panthers to consider.


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8 hours ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

Mike Myers No GIF

Padres suck 

8 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

With thoughts like this I'm glad you can't start a thread yet.

 

see my response to the other dude, you would think after 12K posts on here you would grasp that this place is literally just for fans to spew poo around like potential QB's for a team we have no control or say in.

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14 minutes ago, Super Grateful said:

you'd think after almost 20K posts you would understand how a football fanatic message board works but here we are

Oh cool.  Thanks for setting me straight.  I am going to start a "let's trade for Josh allen" thread.  You know because it's completely feasible and not moronic at all

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Per Jordan Shultz...

REPORT: There is notable “disappointment” among some Giants players regarding how the organization handled the Daniel Jones situation over the past week. Many players within the team believe the decision was driven largely by financial considerations.

An anonymous offensive player shared his thoughts to Jordan Schultz: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The team record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”

Dexter Lawrence also said, “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.”

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I see no reason why having Jones come in to compete to be QB 1 on the Panthers next year is a bad thing.  Competition is good....I say bring in as many 'guns' as possible and may the best QB win the starting job. 

Lack of QB competition since Cam has been a big miss for the Panthers.  They brought Teddy with no competition.  They brought in Sam with no competition.  They drafted Bryce with no competition.  Maybe if these QB's earned it instead being 'given it' the Panthers QB situation would be in a better place right now.  

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5 minutes ago, thennek said:

I see no reason why having Jones come in to compete to be QB 1 on the Panthers next year is a bad thing.  Competition is good....I say bring in as many 'guns' as possible and may the best QB win the starting job. 

Lack of QB competition since Cam has been a big miss for the Panthers.  They brought Teddy with no competition.  They brought in Sam with no competition.  They drafted Bryce with no competition.  Maybe if these QB's earned it instead being 'given it' the Panthers QB situation would be in a better place right now.  

You see no reason?  How about this?

 

His career stats.

24-44-1 With 9 wins his highest ever.  With Barkley

64%

14000 yards passing going over 3000 just 1 fuging time

70 tds 47 ints to go along with 50 fumbles.  50 fuging fumbles

 

In short he has 1 season over 5 wins.  1.

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8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You see no reason?  How about this?

 

His career stats.

24-44-1 With 9 wins his highest ever.  With Barkley

64%

14000 yards passing going over 3000 just 1 fuging time

70 tds 47 ints to go along with 50 fumbles.  50 fuging fumbles

 

In short he has 1 season over 5 wins.  1.

Not suggesting we hand the QB 1 job to him. I am saying competition is good.  The Panthers need a new QB room.  The QB free agents are limited.  They need to bring in several guys to compete.  Whoever doesn't 'cut it' is sent packing during final cuts after training camp.  No way should they go into next season with just Bryce Young.  Not having QB competition this year was a huge miss especially after the results BY had last year.  He should have been pushed to win the job.  

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In the short term no upcoming available QB's in free agency are going to do much with this roster. I have basically no expectations for the next few seasons other than more losing. All I know is wherever we go from here Dalton isn't an answer and Young isn't an answer. The QB room needs to be blown up. But it's the Panthers we're talking about here so you know there's a good possibility they pick the wrong guy or guys. It's just what we do.

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1 hour ago, thennek said:

Not suggesting we hand the QB 1 job to him. I am saying competition is good.  The Panthers need a new QB room.  The QB free agents are limited.  They need to bring in several guys to compete.  Whoever doesn't 'cut it' is sent packing during final cuts after training camp.  No way should they go into next season with just Bryce Young.  Not having QB competition this year was a huge miss especially after the results BY had last year.  He should have been pushed to win the job.  

Not having competition wasn't a miss, it was intentional. The possibility of an UDFA or some late round pick outperforming our big brain QB wasn't as remotely impossible as it should be. This was Dave trying to save his image. 

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Seriously? Of course his performance has been bad or he would not be available--you have to look past performance and look at his fundamentals.  A Wall Street broker would understand that--the most money to be made is buying unloved stocks--stocks beaten down by performance for any number of reasons.  A good investor looks at the sector, the context, the company fundamentals, and if he sees an opportunity for a rebound, he buys that stock for pennies on the dollar.  In this situation, Jones has the following fundamentals and measureables:  Intelligence, arm, mobility, size, age, and experiences that demonstrate he can be effective in better conditions (when his OL was average, WRs good, and RB great).  You folks spit on every idea short of Cam Newton coming back for a third go at it.

Forget his performance--we all know it has not been good.  Most of you were banging the table for D. Watson, if I am not mistaken--where would we be if that happened?  I see that as opportunity to get a "fixer upper" for pennies on the dollar who would come in to compete. However, as I mentioned before about Geno Smith, Goff, Baker, Carr, and Darnold--sometimes the situation is more to blame than the player.  Bringing in Jones would not be the ONLY SOLUTION to the QB problem.  He plays QB on a losing team in NY City that abuses losers.  He is mentally at a low point--I get it--football is very emotional--has a ton of ups and downs, but he has been down far longer than up.  Does that mean that I am saying he is going to be a great QB?  Some of you scholars will draw that conclusion.  I am saying he has all the markings of a beaten down stock that could recover and pay huge dividends to those who saw the fundamentals and took a chance.  I still say draft a QB.  Aside from Jones' fundamentals, the situation in Carolina is ideal for him:  

1. An Offensive line--Carolina has a top 5 OL and it can be upgraded at C.

2. WRs--We need another WR or two, but our rookies are very promising (Legette and Coker).  If Theilen has another year in him and we can acquire one, we could be above average.

3. TE--you have to like what Sanders has shown us, and Tremble (when healthy) is decent.  I think we could add a TE once we say by to Thomas.

4.  RB--Chubbard and Brooks?  Solid.  RB and the run blocking will be essential for a QB like Jones to turn it around. 

5.  A solid D.  Well, we lost our ILB, star DE (Brown), and OLB (Wonnum) to injury. That is about 30% of the defense, and these were the best players. Those would have been the defense's best players, excluding Horn.  We lost Burns  We will add a DT, Edge, and probably an ILB.  We will add a C, WR, and QB.  

His stock is beaten down.  On wall street when that happens, investors look at fundamentals and not performance.  We are not paying for past performance--we are paying for potential performance.  Bring him home and out of the nasty Apple--give him a better supporting cast--and let him mentally recover.  Pennies on the dollar for a potential good qb.  Just needs to get his mind right.

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