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I think this is basically worst case scenario…

Bryce morphing into just… okay.  His ceiling is incredibly low.  He doesn’t have tools to be great at this level.  It’s just not in the cards. 

and he ends up handicapping our plans to build forward by being functional 

a close game vs KC….Gardner Menshew did that too.  LV isn’t thinking they might have something. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think this is basically worst case scenario…

Bryce morphing into just… okay.  His ceiling is incredibly low.  He doesn’t have tools to be great at this level.  It’s just not in the cards. 

and he ends up handicapping our plans to build forward by being functional 

a close game vs KC….Gardner Menshew did that too.  LV isn’t thinking they might have something. 
 

 

It's the biggest problem with the whole situation. Any improvement even at all is good enough to be able to say we didn't draft an outright bust after what we gave up. It keeps going back to justification instead of just being honest about the player.

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52 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Keep playing like this and I wont ever say a negative thing about this kid again.

 

For the first time he actually looked like he belonged. I hope he keeps it up.

Pretty much this.

I have been a critic and detractor of Young since college.  He looked surprisingly, and yet convincingly good today.  Let's see if it's sustainable...  ideally, for the benefit of our franchise, if he can figure it out and parallel with Canales continuing along the trajectory he's on, we would have a LOT less to worry about for the future, obviously.

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21 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think this is basically worst case scenario…

Bryce morphing into just… okay.  His ceiling is incredibly low.  He doesn’t have tools to be great at this level.  It’s just not in the cards. 

and he ends up handicapping our plans to build forward by being functional 

a close game vs KC….Gardner Menshew did that too.  LV isn’t thinking they might have something. 
 

 

And then there's that...  so, like I said, let's see if he can sustain it and build on it.

He really did look good today, but I agree - the reason I didn't want him since college is because I didn't feel he had the tools to excel in the NFL either...  but, we'll see.

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44 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

I think we need to give Dave Canales a lot of credit. I don't think there are many coaches that could have this team playing well

You're absolutely right. I've been kinda questioning his "feel good about yourselves" approach, but I'm beginning to see some sunlight here. 

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45 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think this is basically worst case scenario…

Bryce morphing into just… okay.  
 

 

BY played way beyond just "OK" today. Tommy Tremble holds onto the ball in the end zone and the Panthers win today.

I would venture to say the only reason the Panther's were even close was of his performance. It sure as heck wasnt because of the defense or rushing.

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10 minutes ago, HPPantherzfan said:

I’ve done my fair share of bashing on Bryce, not today!  I’m not eating crow just yet but against a good D, he put in work and deserves credit.  He played like an NFL QB today and I enjoyed watching him play.

That’s the spirit mate

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42 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's the biggest problem with the whole situation. Any improvement even at all is good enough to be able to say we didn't draft an outright bust after what we gave up. It keeps going back to justification instead of just being honest about the player.

I think this franchise is done chasing to draft or sign an “elite” QB.  It just hasn’t work ever since we let Cam go.  At the very least Bryce has proven he belongs in the league and you build the rest of the team around him. When it’s time to pick up his 5th year option you take a look at his development and assess if you should look elsewhere. 

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