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Tyler Warren

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PNW_PantherMan Grand Master

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3 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Fo sure.  

Where I'm kind of leaning w/our first:

With this high of a pick, stepping back, big picture, you want a guy that can straight up elevate their side of the ball and change the way the opposition needs to play us. That's the bottom line for me.  It's what we wanted with Bryce of course, Brown, Horn, etc. when drafting this high.  Icky had the question marks in pass blocking but we had a 5+ year running need when we landed him.  

The defenders people are considering can be really nice, sure, potentially all-pro pieces (Walker, Johnson, Pearce, etc.) but are we getting a guy that a defense needs to immediately account for on every snap? Or are you banking on some potential actualizing? Is there any lack of sure-thing with translating to the NFL, or additional refinement needed?  When you're banking on those factors high in the draft, that's where the busts can come from IMO.  I.E. Johnson has press-man coverage questions (Surtain/Horn did not have those concerns), Walker with his size/down-to-down role, and Pearce needing some run-d technical refinement.     

But with Warren, you drop him in, I think the offense entirely changes.  And the way people need to play us entirely changes as well.  And I don't see anything technically that needs more hands-on coaching required.  

It's appealing.  Not entirely there yet, but if a team is sold on him, I'm seeing the why.  

 

A lot of huddlers would rather reach on an edge that would go late 1st or early 2nd in a normal draft class, instead of taking the biggest impact player that falls to 8.

Would I normally draft a TE at 8?  Of course not.  But this isn't a normal situation.  The top of this class is not only thin, but relatively weak.

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2 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

A lot of huddlers would rather reach on an edge that would go late 1st or early 2nd in a normal draft class, instead of taking the biggest impact player that falls to 8.

Would I normally draft a TE at 8?  Of course not.  But this isn't a normal situation.  The top of this class is not only thin, but relatively weak.

I agree with almost everything in this post. The difference is I would take a TE at 8 in a normal draft if I thought he was a dynamic playmaker.

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The consensus projections across the NFL media are for Penn State’s Tyler Warren to be the first tight end selected in the 2025 NFL Draft. Warren had a massive 2024 season with 104 catches for 1,233 yards with eight touchdowns through the air while helping the Nittany Lions advance into the college football playoff. While Warren is the favorite to be the first tight end selected, some team sources say they like Miami’s Elijah Arroyo and Michigan’s Colston Loveland more than Warren. Yesterday, we reported how multiple sources think Arroyo could rise to be a top-25 pick. Thus, there is a chance that Warren is not the first tight end off the board as some teams like Arroyo and Loveland more.

 

 

“We had Colston Loveland first,” said one national scout from an NFC team. “We had Warren second and Arroyo third. But Arroyo has the most upside, has the highest celing, the most ability, and he could crush the spring workouts. He probably will test and work out the best. I think the workouts could push Arroyo to the top.”

 

 

Arroyo dealt with injuries for two years before an excellent 2024 season with Cam Ward at quarterback for the Hurricanes. Sources feel that Arroyo is raw to go along with the medical concerns. Loveland impressed in 2023 on Michigan’s National Championship team, but Loveland was held back by a struggling offense and injuries in 2024. Sources wonder why Warren was behind Theo Johnson at Penn State, considering Warren is a much more talented player. Sources also say that all three are not impressive as blockers. Thus, they feel there are some flaws with each player, and it will ultimately be about scheme fit and team preference.

https://walterfootball.com/teams-vary-on-top-tight-end.php

 

 

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17 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

A lot of huddlers would rather reach on an edge that would go late 1st or early 2nd in a normal draft class, instead of taking the biggest impact player that falls to 8.

Would I normally draft a TE at 8?  Of course not.  But this isn't a normal situation.  The top of this class is not only thin, but relatively weak.

What's the difference between a teir 2 TE and a teir 2 edge guy? There are less than 5 teir 1 guys in this draft. Not falling in love with a guy at the top of teir 2 is the smart move IMO. Trade back and take 2 teir 2 guys.

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On 2/27/2025 at 6:25 AM, Panthero said:

TE is extremely deep in this class. Unless he's a once in 5 year talent, it's a reach positionally. 

I feel like anyone we choose at 8 will be a reach. The top of the draft just isn't that great this year. 

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Again, I wouldn't be mad at all with this pick.  Sanders, I think, will become a solid TE2, but not a TE1.  We have to get out of the mindset that players that are 'X'1 on the Panthers means that they are really good.  We have to compare them to other teams in the League and if our position 'X'1 is most teams 'X'2 then we still need to look for upgrades.  So Sanders being penciled in as our TE1 doesn't mean he's your prototypical NFL TE1.  That's why I would be okay with drafting Warren even though it may considered a slight reach at #8.  Tremble has proven to be no more than a TE3, so yes, there's room for improvement.  The rest of the TEs we currently have are camp bodies.

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One of my favorite positions is TE. If you have an elite TE, your offense opens up so much. Having a Greg Olsen type weapon is worth the 8th pick, BUTTTT I seem to fall in love with top 15 TE’s  and most of them end up busting. I remember wanting us to draft Kyle Pitts, OJ Howard, Eric Ebron, etc. Glad I didn’t make those picks! 

 

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26 minutes ago, SazmoRanger said:

One of my favorite positions is TE. If you have an elite TE, your offense opens up so much. Having a Greg Olsen type weapon is worth the 8th pick, BUTTTT I seem to fall in love with top 15 TE’s  and most of them end up busting. I remember wanting us to draft Kyle Pitts, OJ Howard, Eric Ebron, etc. Glad I didn’t make those picks! 

 

Book is still open on Pitts. I could be wrong, but doesn't he still have a year or two on his rookie deal? That said, he has been trending downwards. Wasn't Ebron derailed by injuries? Doesn't matter who it is or their position if they never play. Howard? Don't remember him.

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6 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Book is still open on Pitts. I could be wrong, but doesn't he still have a year or two on his rookie deal? That said, he has been trending downwards.

pretty sure thats the point

 

and he is playing on the 5th year option this season at 10 million.   OOF

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