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How would you feel if Bryce did this in 2025

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Tr3ach Grand Master

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11 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I'm a bryce hater, if he put up those numbers i would never say a bad thing about him again.  Now, if he puts up 2900 17 and 9 will you want to move on from him?

I'm not a Bryce hater and I would 100% move on.  Especially looking at how the upcoming qb draft looks on paper.  Hopefully he continues to improve but if in 3 seasons you're still chasing average season numbers then he's not going to be the guy.  You've just got to keep taking swings until you hit.  Average qbs without any elite physical traits cant get it done anymore.  So this year Hopefully he continues to develop and is above average statistically.

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13 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

thats never going to happen

That would basically make him a top 10 quarterback based on last year's stats if you break down each QB metric, complied and ranked them.

I get the premise of the question--why should we get rid of Bryce after the season if the team still sucks, but it's not Bryce's fault?  Fair enough. If Bryce balls out and for whatever reason we still can't get over the hump, he shouldn't catch all the grief for it.  However, I will caveat that while stats can add layers of paint to a canvass, they do not always paint the whole picture.  So while those hypothetical stats are pretty darn good, if we are inept in the red zone settling for FGs or he's coughing up the ball on sacks or completing layup passes that doesn't get us first downs, then statistically he can have a really good season, but it could leave us on the short end of the scoreboard some games.

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It's been mentioned in this thread, yet many are glossing over it...

This WR group has a ton of potential. TMAC, XL and Coker, and maybe even Horn as the speed guy will get a ton of snaps in this offense. The reality is that they are all really unproven. Hopefully they're ascending, but we don't know if XL and Coker are maxed out based on last season. TMAC and Horn are ROOKIES. So the only "proven vets" are Thielen, Moore and Renfrow. Not exactly top of the league. Biggest issue being a lack of speed to take the top off of defenses. Say what you want about Tedd Ginn but he was probably the most important receiver on the team in 2015.

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Only 3 guys have given us 20+ TD seasons in the 30+ years this team has existed. 

It would be nice to see again. If his play is progressing and consistent, I think a 20 TD, 10 INT type season just shy of 4k yards would be an expectation to have.

Beyond stats, I just was to see him have us in the wildcard race. Even if we miss out, would be fun to see us fighting for a spot until week 17-18 come around. Would be nice to have meaningful games in Nov-Dec again.

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Until we do something about the D its not going to matter.  If the D cant get stops BY9 cant get stats.

We dont have these offenses (yet)

Team-Record-Def Rank-QB

2011 New England Patriots  13–3  31st  Tom Brady
2013 Denver Broncos  13–3  19th in PtsAllowed  Payton Manning
2008 Arizona Cardinals  9–7  28th  Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald.
2016 Atlanta Falcons  11–5  27th  Matt Ryan and Julio Jones.
2018 Kansas City Chiefs  12–4  24th  Patrick Mahomes.

 

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17 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

It's been mentioned in this thread, yet many are glossing over it...

This WR group has a ton of potential. TMAC, XL and Coker, and maybe even Horn as the speed guy will get a ton of snaps in this offense. The reality is that they are all really unproven. Hopefully they're ascending, but we don't know if XL and Coker are maxed out based on last season. TMAC and Horn are ROOKIES. So the only "proven vets" are Thielen, Moore and Renfrow. Not exactly top of the league. Biggest issue being a lack of speed to take the top off of defenses. Say what you want about Tedd Ginn but he was probably the most important receiver on the team in 2015.

We’ve seen plenty of late round WRs come and go so I don’t have much stock in Horn. He’s definitely a wait and see/maybe he surprises.

Looks fun, but then you consider the history with Gettis, T Godwin, Pilares, etc. I’m gonna hold my breathe haha

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6 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

Until we do something about the D its not going to matter.  If the D cant get stops BY9 cant get stats.

We dont have these offenses (yet)

Team-Record-Def Rank-QB

2011 New England Patriots  13–3  31st  Tom Brady
2013 Denver Broncos  13–3  19th in PtsAllowed  Payton Manning
2008 Arizona Cardinals  9–7  28th  Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald.
2016 Atlanta Falcons  11–5  27th  Matt Ryan and Julio Jones.
2018 Kansas City Chiefs  12–4  24th  Patrick Mahomes.

 

Building in excuses already for this year

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2 hours ago, HaricotVert said:

Until we do something about the D its not going to matter.  If the D cant get stops BY9 cant get stats.

We dont have these offenses (yet)

Team-Record-Def Rank-QB

2011 New England Patriots  13–3  31st  Tom Brady
2013 Denver Broncos  13–3  19th in PtsAllowed  Payton Manning
2008 Arizona Cardinals  9–7  28th  Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald.
2016 Atlanta Falcons  11–5  27th  Matt Ryan and Julio Jones.
2018 Kansas City Chiefs  12–4  24th  Patrick Mahomes.

 

We just did something about the D, did you miss the free agency and the draft?

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2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Building in excuses already for this year

 

5 minutes ago, NAS said:

We just did something about the D, did you miss the free agency and the draft?

is it an excuse that the ice melted because it sat on the counter?

 

If we dont improve on the D (and things are looking up there) then it wont matter.  We will still be losing more games than we are winning and Bryce isnt enough to lift the team above that

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2 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

Only 3 guys have given us 20+ TD seasons in the 30+ years this team has existed. 

It would be nice to see again. If his play is progressing and consistent, I think a 20 TD, 10 INT type season just shy of 4k yards would be an expectation to have.

Beyond stats, I just was to see him have us in the wildcard race. Even if we miss out, would be fun to see us fighting for a spot until week 17-18 come around. Would be nice to have meaningful games in Nov-Dec again.

I think the highlighted portion of your post is a reasonable expectation. The above stat would average out to just over 1 TD pass per game and twice as many TD's as INT's. This team is built to run the football, so I'm not expecting Bryce to light up the stat sheet each week. If can complete 60% of his passes, make 2-3 big time passing plays a week, reach the 3,400-3,500 yard mark,  and finish the season with your stat line,  then we should be competitive week in and week out.

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17 hours ago, XClown1986 said:

Some of you Bryce haters can call yourself realists all you want to but even if he did put up those stats or better next year, you would all just say "well let's see if he can do it again, because a lot of quarterbacks have had one good season" or "not that he's good so much as he has so much talent around him". You wouldn't give him the credit he's due and it's exhausting

He looked awful for his debut and it will take a while to get that out of people’s heads. He has limited physical tools that will only diminish as he gets older. Giving him a long term contract would give me pause. 
 

I’m rooting for him but if he plays well enough to bring the franchise back to respectable/average that would be the W. I’d rather find a better QB with better tools eventually. 

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39 minutes ago, Donald LaFell said:

He looked awful for his debut and it will take a while to get that out of people’s heads. He has limited physical tools that will only diminish as he gets older. Giving him a long term contract would give me pause. 
 

I’m rooting for him but if he plays well enough to bring the franchise back to respectable/average that would be the W. I’d rather find a better QB with better tools eventually. 

To date, Young has had a historically bad year and a below league average year.  

Bryce not being bad is basically us winning in the short term.  I don't see anyway Bryce Young can be part of our long term thoughts at this stage.   We don't won't to have to waste resources in the now on a QB and want to build up the rest of our team.  The real hope is Bryce can just be competent and let the O work. 

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