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41 minutes ago, CRA said:

I got Luke in before 89 or Cam

I still think Luke is technically our best player.  He just played ILB which isn't a premium spot.  

I wouldn't be mad at it. I often call Luke "the best ILB that I've ever seen," and I've watched the game in earnest since I was nine, but I think there is more going on with Steve Smith---meaning it's political---than perhaps should be. I understand that he was not the nicest person---an asshole at times basically. People don't or didn't like him. That being said, he's still 8th all time in receiving yards, ahead of guys who have their gold jackets: 


 * Marvin Harrison (9th)
 * Andre Johnson (11th)
 * James Lofton (12th)
 * Cris Carter (13th)

 

At some point, Smitty has to be inducted solely based upon the numbers (not to mention producing big results at his stature in a big man's game). I can see the snub early due to his temperament, but I hope it doesn't become a "thing," and I don't think Panthers fans, or NFL fans in general, should stay silent about it if it does.

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1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

As someone once said of Chris Collinsworth as a player, "If they had a hall of the really, really good, he'd be in there."

As much as we love them, TD and Greg probably aren't getting the gold jackets, unless Greg gets it for broadcasting way down the line.

Both were excellent players, and heroes locally, but not on the national note HoF level of Pep, Luke, Smitty or Cam (eventually). 

 

Cam will never make it either.

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I love Thomas Davis but I don't think he'll make it. Steve Smith Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly are what I would refer to as eventual locks. It's not a matter of if just when. It could be a long while though. I do see Olsen as having a good chance. People forget he actually had the record at the time for most consecutive 1k yards seasons for a TE with three. Kelce shattered it of course with seven consecutive which is insane. But still. That's rare company.

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8 minutes ago, frankw said:

I love Thomas Davis but I don't think he'll make it. Steve Smith Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly are what I would refer to as eventual locks. It's not a matter of if just when. It could be a long while though. I do see Olsen as having a good chance. People forget he actually had the record at the time for most consecutive 1k yards seasons for a TE with three. Kelce shattered it of course with seven consecutive which is insane. But still. That's rare company.

only lock I think in time is Luke.  89 and Cam are bringing more things to do the table than just ball and it gets really weird with them IMO.  As in, a lot of voters just aren't going to like them....and there will be tons of easy options for them to pick over them when it's close decision for a voter. 

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2 hours ago, TD alt said:

89 will be the next Panther in, and might be the only one for a very very long time. I think Kuechly has an outside shot. He would be a lock had he kept playing.

Nah look at his All pro selections. He has just as many as a lot of those already in it. He is a lock.

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2 hours ago, TD alt said:

89 will be the next Panther in, and might be the only one for a very very long time. I think Kuechly has an outside shot. He would be a lock had he kept playing.

Luke is a lock. Look at his accolades and Patrick Willis who retired at similar young age and got in. 89 has pissed a lot of people off and I think he’ll have to wait a while — unjustly. Both should’ve been obvious first ballots, but alas, here we are. Both will get in eventually but I think Luke will come first. He frankly should’ve been first ballot.

 

LOVE TD and Greg but neither is a HoF lock, not even super likely. Maybe get in down the road in a weaker class, but I expect neither to ever get in. Panthers legends without a doubt though.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Donald LaFell said:

Cam will never make it either.

Yeah, I believe he will. That body of work, the 15-1 season. His cleats are already there.

The only thing that could keep Cam out is a scandal of some kind.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

only lock I think in time is Luke.  89 and Cam are bringing more things to do the table than just ball and it gets really weird with them IMO.  As in, a lot of voters just aren't going to like them....and there will be tons of easy options for them to pick over them when it's close decision for a voter. 

You could be right in the end. But the Panthers homer in me doesn't want to hear all that lol.

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Agree Luke is probably next, and I don't think it'll be a long wait.

I think Olsen deserves it, but that guarantees nothing.

Worth remembering though, if his current career keeps going as it has been, he might actually make it one day as a broadcaster.

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Wow, just looked up some stats, yea... Olsen stands no chance.

What would everyone say about Zach Ertz's chances at making the HOF?

Exactly, nobody would even consider it a possibility.

Olsen played in 31 more games than Ertz did, but is only 595 yards and 7 TDs behind Olsen's numbers.  And while Olsen has the 3 straight 1k seasons and Ertz only has 1, they each have the same number of seasons with more than 800 yards and Ertz's high season is slightly above Olsen's.

A repeat of last season for Ertz, playing in 17 games with 654 yards and 7 TDs would push him past Olsen's yardage, tie his TDs, and have done it in almost a full season less of games played, while also having a SB ring.

Olsen being the first TE to have 3 straight 1k seasons is pretty much the only feather in his HOF resume's cap, and unfortunately that won't be something to even get him consideration in the end.

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2 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree with those that say Steve Smith won't make it.  No rings and probably pissed to many people off.  Neither will Cam.  His dominant period was to short.  Luke might, but its not a given.  

A big part of getting into the Hall of Fame is having somebody among the voters, most commonly an influential member of sports media, lobbying hard for your induction. Not sure how many of our guys would have someone like that.

Heck, some players even have people working as hard as they can to keep them out

(Peter King with Art Monk, for example)

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Cam will never make it.  In no universe, does he qualify.  

 

Olsen, should make it for being then first TE to get back to back to back 1000 yards, but he's not a lock. 

 

It's not political with Steve Smith.  It just takes receivers a long time to make it.

 

I doubt Davis ever makes it.  

 

Luke will be the next guy.  Who knows when. 

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