Dan Orlovsky on Bryce Young

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I think Dan is right about the footwork. He’s futzing around with his drop to time his shuffle hitch throw appropriately. Bryce doesn’t like to put his foot in the ground and throw. He likes to crow hop a little  

unfortunately for Hunter digestive tract, there’s a safety Bryce either doesn’t see or doesn’t read and hospital balls him. 

It looked like the same old trashy footwork to me. Bryce has never had good fundamentals footwork. He's always shuffled around square to the LOS and then once he sees where he wants to go he has to try to flip his hips and get his feet under him to deliver the throw. This was one of the things I would point out leading up to the draft as something that wasn't going to translate to the NFL.

[PNW_PantherMan]

42 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Remember the look on JJs face last night after that TD pass to Jones towards the end of the game? Dude looked like a straight killer. That’s the face of a dude that’s locked the fug in, completely ignoring any and all noise. Reminded me of prime Cams infamous nod prior to orchestrating a game winning drive right after seeing the Saints take the lead.

 Probably hyperbolic but that shot convinced me JJ will be a dude for the Vikings. Yes they have a great staff but that kind of mentality isn’t something that’s taught. 

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all.  I went from hater to believer during the 2nd half of that game.  Most guys do not come back from that 1st half.

[TLGPanthersFan]

4 minutes ago, Coheed said:

I get what you’re saying but the reason I think his mentality underscores it all is that he did have legitimately solid and sometimes even good games at the end of last year after his bench, and against some good teams (PHI, Tampa, KC)

 

but that was only after the season was shot and everyone thought he was done for.

then once he had to play a meaningful game on Sunday he crumbled right back to pre bench form. It’s like he’s only able to when it *doesnt* matter 

But all just semantics tbh, we both agree that he ain’t it lol

I do not wonder about those games. Like, was it Bryce playing better or those teams playing down to the competition? 
We’ve seen meh QBs have weird good games, maybe even a few of them. But it never translates to anything. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I don't think it's hyperbolic at all.  I went from hater to believer during the 2nd half of that game.  Most guys do not come back from that 1st half.

I think he has a chance and his mental makeup is a big part of why. I also think the Bears got a little complacent over the course of that game because the Vikings were completely inept on offense for most of it and once it started clicking for the Vikings the Bears couldn't get their head in the game and realize they had to wakeup and dial in again.

[Proudiddy]

52 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Ironically enough what I think will ultimately do Bryce in/will be why he won’t make it in the league won’t be his size concerns, but his mental makeup.

 

He is a historical outlier in size and due to that has smaller and stricter windows, but he *has* shown he can play, but only when it doesn’t matter. The best football we’ve seen from Bryce was that preseason Buffalo drive and then down the stretch last year after we were already eliminated

 

Remember the look on JJs face last night after that TD pass to Jones towards the end of the game? Dude looked like a straight killer. That’s the face of a dude that’s locked the fug in, completely ignoring any and all noise. Reminded me of prime Cams infamous nod prior to orchestrating a game winning drive right after seeing the Saints take the lead.

 Probably hyperbolic but that shot convinced me JJ will be a dude for the Vikings. Yes they have a great staff but that kind of mentality isn’t something that’s taught. 
 

to succeed as a young QB in this league you need some level of that coldness/killer mentality in you to push through the adversity that will inevitably come when you have a bad game, throw a pick 6, or your line gets blown up. 

 

i don’t see any of that in Bryce. I want to be wrong, and hope someone can quote this post with a “wow that aged like milk!” someday, but I don’t think it’s happening.  
 

if Bryce had that mentality in him, I honestly think he could play and work through it, but I just don’t think he does 

I firmly believe that ship is sailed.  When he came out for his presser, I literally just watched it thinking how the guys in that locker room feel listening to this same poo every week.  Sure, there are other shitty players on this roster, and definitely some coaches, but when the one guy on the field whose play can make or break your day is consistently atrocious, where they’re doing poo like Dan shows in this breakdown…. Bro, we’re in year 3 and you don’t recognize they’re in zone and a defender is waiting to break on the pass you just stared down for 2 seconds?  And okay, that happens to every QB from time to time, but again, we’re in year 3, and you did it not once, but multiple times in one game.  Somebody else shared in a thread yesterday, I think it was, that the Jags didn’t even run anything exotic.  They didn’t blitz.  They didn’t try to confuse him.  They literally ran zone the majority of the game and rushed 4.  And the poo he did in this breakdown, especially that throw to Renfrow, looked, from memory, exactly like the picks he threw to Jessie Bates repeatedly.  So imagine that guy coming in the locker room and trying to say anything to you.  Even if it’s an apology.  I don’t want to hear it.  You are costing us a chance to win, and if you know you’re not capable of doing better, fall on your sword and take your ass to the bench.  That’s what a good teammate would do.  A shitty one keeps going out there selfishly doing the same dumb poo he’s been doing.  And Dan didn’t even show the scramble to stumble to fumble, which also seems like Bryce has done more times than I’ve ever seen one player do in my life already.  It’s just comedic at this point that anyone is still pretending he is anything but what he’s shown to be.  I really just wish he would bow out and give the players who are actually doing their job a fuging chance.

[jfra78]

26 minutes ago, Manna said:

eh, its obvious that "good" games from Bryce are the anomaly and outlier. 

Even good games he was late to recievers.  I think he was so good with AT cause he was the only one who couldn't outrun his passes

[Coheed]

4 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I firmly believe that ship is sailed.  When he came out for his presser, I literally just watched it thinking how the guys in that locker room feel listening to this same poo every week.  Sure, there are other shitty players on this roster, and definitely some coaches, but when the one guy in the field whose play can make or break your day is consistently atrocious, where they’re doing poo like Dan shows in this breakdown…. Bro, we’re in year 3 and you don’t recognize they’re in zone and a defender is waiting to break in the pass you just stared down for 2 seconds?  And okay, that happens to every web from time to time, but again, we’re in year 3, and you did it not once, but multiple times in one game.  Somebody else shared in a thread yesterday, I think it was, that the Jags didn’t even run anything exotic.  They didn’t blitz.  They didn’t try to confuse him.  They literally ran zone the majority of the game.  And the poo he did in this breakdown, especially that throw to Renfrow, looked, from memory, exactly like the picks he threw to Jessie Bates repeatedly.  So imagine that guy coming in the locker room and trying to say anything to you.  Even if it’s an apology.  I don’t want to hear it.  You are costing us a chance to win, and if you know you’re not capable of doing better, fall on your sword and take your ass to the bench.  That’s what a good teammate would do.  A shitty one keeps going out there selfishly doing the same dumb poo he’s been doing.  And Dan didn’t even show the scramble to stumble to fumble, which also seems like Bryce has done more times than I’ve ever seen one player do in my life already.  It’s just comedic at this point that anyone is still pretending he is anything but what he’s shown to be.  I really just wish he would bow out and give the players who are actually doing their job a fuging chance.

We don’t disagree 

[Dilla]

54 minutes ago, Coheed said:

Ironically enough what I think will ultimately do Bryce in/will be why he won’t make it in the league won’t be his size concerns, but his mental makeup.

I agree with this. They are some here that believes Bryce will be out the league. I disagree, he'll be a decent backup for a while, I think.

He showed at the back half of last season that he is capable of stringing good games together when the season is over and the pressure is off. . . just like a backup QB. 

You see that from a lot of 2nd string QBs. They come in for whatever reason and look good, then after a game or two, they show why they are not a starter.

Bryce can play well when the season is effectively over, but now that its the start of the season and the pressure is back on, he goes back to bad habits.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 hour ago, Coheed said:

Ironically enough what I think will ultimately do Bryce in/will be why he won’t make it in the league won’t be his size concerns, but his mental makeup.

 

He is a historical outlier in size and due to that has smaller and stricter windows, but he *has* shown he can play, but only when it doesn’t matter. The best football we’ve seen from Bryce was that preseason Buffalo drive and then down the stretch last year after we were already eliminated

 

Remember the look on JJs face last night after that TD pass to Jones towards the end of the game? Dude looked like a straight killer. That’s the face of a dude that’s locked the fug in, completely ignoring any and all noise. Reminded me of prime Cams infamous nod prior to orchestrating a game winning drive right after seeing the Saints take the lead.

 Probably hyperbolic but that shot convinced me JJ will be a dude for the Vikings. Yes they have a great staff but that kind of mentality isn’t something that’s taught. 
 

to succeed as a young QB in this league you need some level of that coldness/killer mentality in you to push through the adversity that will inevitably come when you have a bad game, throw a pick 6, or your line gets blown up. 

 

i don’t see any of that in Bryce. I want to be wrong, and hope someone can quote this post with a “wow that aged like milk!” someday, but I don’t think it’s happening.  
 

if Bryce had that mentality in him, I honestly think he could play and work through it, but I just don’t think he does 

Unfortunately Bryce will never have that "dog" mentality that Morgan was trying to preach. One of the things I loved most about Cam. Him tearing down that Packers banner will be one of my fondest memories. We dont have a single player on our roster that gives a fug that much.

Edited 4 hours ago by Mr Mojo Risin

[Jackie Lee]

Yikes that first Renfrow throw. 

[Jon Snow]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yikes that first Renfrow throw. 

It was under thrown and off target. He was wide open. No excuse for that.

Edited 4 hours ago by Jon Snow

[HeelsPanthersCanes]

Orlovsky is one of the smartest, best people on TV breaking down football.  I'm surprised a team hasn't asked him to consult / coach for them. 

It's too bad that ESPN surrounds him with a bunch of doofuses and TV evangelists. 

And to stay on topic, Bryce stinks. 

[Proudiddy]

44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It looked like the same old trashy footwork to me. Bryce has never had good fundamentals footwork. He's always shuffled around square to the LOS and then once he sees where he wants to go he has to try to flip his hips and get his feet under him to deliver the throw. This was one of the things I would point out leading up to the draft as something that wasn't going to translate to the NFL.

Reading a lot of this brought me back to memories of a guy I loved watching as a kid when he came back and dominated, almost in a “Linsanity” type of way, but for football obviously - Doug Flutie.  I’ve always loved an underdog.  I’m a sucker for those stories and characters.  And the league essentially forced Flutie out the first time around, from memory, mostly because his coaches felt he didn’t fit the proper QB archetype.  Not big enough, not impressive enough, etc., so he went to the CFL and dominated for years.  Came back and signed with Buffalo to give it another go in the NFL and became a pro bowl QB.  His teams were competitive and fun to watch.  And statistically, I guess unofficially, he was the same size as Bryce, but you couldn’t tell…  Flutie could sling it, and when he ran, he ran with conviction.   But my point in bringing it up, as also evidenced by a guy like Russ in his prime, and although supposedly slightly taller, also Brees, and to a lesser extent Kyler Murray…  small QBs can be successful.  I specifically bring up Flutie though bc he wasn’t viewed as prototypical and he improvised a lot, which was supposed to be one of Bryce’s strengths.  Flutie scrambled around a ton and extended plays to get throws off, and although not crazy accurate over his career, again, he played with purpose, and when he did throw it looked NATURAL.  My issue with Bryce is, it doesn’t.  Dan is harping on about his timing and footwork, and finding that rhythm, but at some point, you would think your natural ability to anticipate and throw would override all that other poo.  Again, it sounds crazy, but if you took any semi-athlete or former athlete off this board, and had them throw with a receiver for endless hours over a few months and say, “this is a 5 yard hitch route.”  As Dan showed, an imbecile sees the corner is backed up off Tet.  We know the route.  We’ve thrown it a million times.  So when he takes his last step into the upward part of the route, we should be throwing it to that spot before he even turns around.  But nope, we’re sitting here hyperfocusing on some bullshit footwork trying to find reasons why he can’t do the simplest fuging poo a QB is tasked with.  At some point, it’s over analyzing.  Either he can or can’t, and he’s shown he can’t.  Everything else these analysts are doing is searching for excuses for him.  Any QB worth a poo could turn their whole lower body into a pretzel running the opposite way of the play, but when they recognize the read available to them and the throw they need to make, they square their poo up or at least maneuver themselves in a position to allow their upper body to do what is required to make the throw.  Bryce has not, can not, and will not.

[Jackie Lee]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It was under thrown and off target. He was wide open. No excuse for that.

Yeah late and under thrown. For DC to publicly say the reason he cut Renfrow from the initial 53 because of conditioning when he doesn't have his QB's footwork fixed also pisses me off now. The only reason he got the HC job was to fix Bryce yet he's reverted back to the same issues he had his rookie year